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OP: i think people think they are trash due to the high price tag (money) and the lack of unique models... But I'm on the side that they aren't that bad of a choice bit they are like terminators... a point sinkhole that may not pan out in the game. Every time I field terminators they attract tons of fire if not in a transport and they get creamed in CC by higher initiative power weapons. Each model is so valuable that it doesn't fit the ork tactic hordes and all that in a wagon would be so pricey that I would get a different elite choice.