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So me and some friends are gonna pick up Warmachine, (I picked Cynar) and I think I've got a handle on the rules now. So this is my first idea for a list.

Kara (*6)

Hunter(6)
Hunter(6)
Defender(9)

6+6+9-6= 15 right?

I was thinking of dropping a Hunter for some ATGM but not sure.

Seeing as this is my first list I figured I'd ask y'all for some pointers.

Looks good for a 15 point list. The Defender can still melee well enough and the hunter is a great jack. You may want to trade the second one for the gun mages though as they do have a better time with infantry, though there won't be too much of that at 15 points.

I would make one list with the Gun Mages, but keep this one as well. Some people only will play Mangled Metal/Tooth and Claw (caster and jacks/beasts only). While others will use infantry etc.

The one change I would make, is to swap one Hunter for a Lancer. It's more durable than a hunter in a close up fight, and having a node on the table is never a bad thing with so few points; it'll let you hide when you need to and still throw spells around (and Arcane Blast is no joke against a threatening infantry unit).

RxGhost wrote:The one change I would make, is to swap one Hunter for a Lancer. It's more durable than a hunter in a close up fight, and having a node on the table is never a bad thing with so few points; it'll let you hide when you need to and still throw spells around (and Arcane Blast is no joke against a threatening infantry unit).

Sloan doesn't need an archnode though. If hes not doing MM then he can and probably should take the gun mages. If not then Arcane Blast isn't worth it against jacks, better to boost hit/damage or camp focus.

She doesn't need it, no. But the Lancer is worth its 6 points regardless and I've never gone wrong having an arc node on the table.

Oh yeah, Arcane blast is sub-optimal against other jacks, but he's still got a Hunter and a Defender in that list, so I'd say anti-jack territory is well covered. lol

At that point its more about getting the extra shots going for her feat. Sure at 15 points its only the 1 extra shot but against khador or another heavy armored army it could make the difference.

Lancer pays two points for the arc node, and as said Sloan doesn't need one. Don't put lancer in the list with her. Kara needs shooty jacks for her feat especially in 15 point games.

One change that could be nice is to swap one hunter to charger and squire. That would give her one extra focus and charger is more powerful against small based targets than hunter. This list wouldn't be mangled metal though.

So I've been playing some more now and I got my hands on a Wrath book. And I think wanna change up Kara's list a little.

Kara *6

Hunter 6
Avenger 9
Minuteman 5

Reinholdt 1

I know it's not MM anymore but we weren't really going for MM and the new avenger is just so nice. I lose a lot of range with the MM instead of a Charger/ATGM's and the Avenger instead of a Defender.
But the Knock down AoE and the ability to jump behind jacks for the back shots feels like it'll be worth the trade off.

Though I think at 25 I'll take a defender over the MM and then add in the ATGM's

Y'alls thoughts?

I like the Minuteman, but I think I'd rather take a Defender over an Avenger

Granted I haven't really gotten to read Wrath yet (store only ordered 1 copy)

I have to agree, the avenger may be good but its got a very short range and Kara doesn't have snipe (to make it closer to the defender). I would take the defender first, adding an avenger at 25 or 35 points.

Remember if you leap over something it still gets a freestrike and won't get the back arch bonus.

I would switch out the minuteman for a unit of Stormblades to get a unit.

Reinholdt is a must for the extra shot. He pretty much doubles her offensive output.

And I agree with those who say you need a unit instead of a 3rd jack.

I like ATGMs because they are very toolboxy and can deal with a variety of threats. Stormgaurd or Precursors would give you a melee infantry screen though. Precursors also have ranked attacks that allow your shooty units to shoot past them.