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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine





Manhattan, Ks

Okay so the parasite engine generates a pain token from killing one or more models from his spirit attacks.
Now he also has the power from pain special rule.

So my question is say the parasite is in close combat with an a small unit and wipes them out with his spirit Syphon does he gain a token for himself for wiping out a squad and also gain a token from using the Syphon? So in a sense he gains one token and then also able to generate a token to a nearby squad?

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Yes.

The Cronos can generate one pain token for the spirit syphon, one pain token from the spirit vortex, and one from the spirit probe all in the same turn. Any units "destroyed" would add tokens in addition to these.
   
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Check the wording. If it says "Causes at least one wound" then I don't think it will cause additional tokens for wiping out a squad.

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I've recently delved into the DE but I'm almost certainly with Ordznik on this one.

The Syphon, Vortex & Probe can all generate a Pain Token EACH as long as they remove a MODEL.

If the Engine removes a UNIT it generates one in addition for itself but it can't throw this one around.
   
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Lethal Lhamean






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Page 41 of the DE Codex has all the information, really - but let's run through a theoretical maximum.

Shooting Phase - Cronos shoots at enemy unit its Spirit Vortex and its Spirit Syphon. You need to keep track of the wounds inflicted by both - if either of them kills a model it generates a pain token.
Potential Tokens Generated - 2 (sent to other units or Cronos) 1 from the Syphon if it kills a model and 1 from the Vortex if it kills a model

Assault Phase - that other unit is still there! Let's assault it! The Cronos roars forward and slices n' dices. The unit is wiped out. The Cronos has a Spirit Probe.
Potential Tokens Generated - 2 - 1 from the Probe if it kills a model (sent to other units or Cronos) and 1 from wiping out the unit (sent to Cronos)

Maximum single turn Cronos Pain Token generation = 4

Hope that helps clarify. The basic gist is it has three different weapons that, if they kill *a model*, generate a pain token. The Cronos also has the PfP Special Rule which allows it to gain a Pain Token if it wipes out an enemy unit. None of these effects block each other.

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Thor665 wrote:Maximum single turn Cronos Pain Token generation = 4


I'll agree that this is the "Likely" maximum but it is far from the highest total possible.

5 would be the highest useful number per turn (3 to give out from its weapons and 2 earned for itself), but there really is no limit given the perfect situation.

for example: C = cronos, M = marine, P = Sang Priest


CCCCC
CCCCC

M
P-M

M-M-P
M-M


M-P-M

M-P-M

You shoot at the middle squad, and your flame template catches the small squad in between and kills them all along with 2 from the squad you targeted (3 tokens so far, 2 for wiping a squad and killing an IC, and 1 to give out from the syphon rules), the vortex blast scatters and hits the 2 back squads killing them all including the 2 attached priests (5 more tokens, 4 for the cronos, and 1 to give out from the vortex). The cronos then assaults the middle squad and wipes it out (3 more, 2 for wiping a squad and killing an IC, and 1 to give out from the spirit probe rules). So 11 pain tokens in total, 3 to distribute to nearby squads and 8 for the cronos. Of course it's useless for the cronos to have more than 2 since it's already fearless and IC's can't join it to steal a few to spread around.

Off topic now, but I wish there was something to use pain tokens for beyond their passive benefit. Similar to how Faith works for sisters. Something like burning a Pain token for 3+ FnP, FnP against all wounds for a turn, or Preferred enemy for a turn. Would have been cool

   
 
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