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What do you guys think is the value, points-wise, of a single increment on the stat line?
Does it matter what attribute? Does it matter from what increment to what its being increased too? More than one has a cumulative effect?

Time for some context: My buddy want's what can best be approximated as Thunderwolf Cavalry but instead he wants giant riderless bears (yes, he's crazy). He wants to increase their S & T by 1. What do you figure a boost like that is worth? 20 points each?

It's not that easy. All things have to be taken into consideration. Something with T5 or 6 with a 5+ save could be around the same points at something T3 or 4 with a 3+ save.

What Shrike said. We need more information. Increasing a Dreadknights strength and toughness ais going to be a lot more expensive than increasing a Guardsman's.

ChrisWWII wrote:What Shrike said. We need more information. Increasing a Dreadknights strength and toughness ais going to be a lot more expensive than increasing a Guardsman's.

We're increasing a thunderwolf's Strength and Toughness by 1 (and losing the ability to shoot).

Well, the only precedent I can find is an increase of T from 5 to 6 (what T-wolf would be) is 30 points (Daemon Prince getting a Mark of Nurgle). S from 5 to 6, from precedent again, would be 10 (Fiends of Slaanesh getting Unholy Might). The loss of shooting, considering it is just with a bolt pistol, is negligible.

So, you're looking around 90 points a model. I could maybe see 85.

Depends on the increment.

T5 to T6 for example makes you immune to all instant death from high strength. T3 to T4, however, just makes you immune to ID from S6 and S7 weapons instead, so the increase is worth less.

S3 to S4 is similar. But S5 is notable because it can penetrate vehicles hitting rear armor (which against most vehicles is what melee does), making the increase to S5 more valuable than the one to S4.

Similarly, any increase beyond I4 makes you hit first against most units, and therefor should cost more than the increase from I3 to I4.

Shrike325 wrote:Well, the only precedent I can find is an increase of T from 5 to 6 (what T-wolf would be) is 30 points (Daemon Prince getting a Mark of Nurgle). S from 5 to 6, from precedent again, would be 10 (Fiends of Slaanesh getting Unholy Might). The loss of shooting, considering it is just with a bolt pistol, is negligible.

So, you're looking around 90 points a model. I could maybe see 85.

Those are good examples. Thanks.

Figure 3 is the average. So starting with that premise
an IG with a lasrifle that is S3 costs 5 pts with a LD 7. Admittedly if you put him in carapace armor he is worth more. If you BS & WS i& Ld is skill, AC is equipment and the rest are racial traits I think you would have a good go.
Say you wanted to make a human S4, T4 it would not be insane but definitely something to charge a significant cost to however S5 or T5 would be somewhat insane and be a real rarity and thus the cost should be higher. So Say +1 S
5 pts +2 S 25 pts +3 S 125 pts.
So Exxon the overpowering as a human base with S6 and T6 would cost cost 255 pts where as the genetically altered marine would cost in at about 15 points

DakkaDakka wrote:

DAaddict wrote:Figure 3 is the average. So starting with that premise
an IG with a lasrifle that is S3 costs 5 pts with a LD 7. Admittedly if you put him in carapace armor he is worth more. If you BS & WS i& Ld is skill, AC is equipment and the rest are racial traits I think you would have a good go.
Say you wanted to make a human S4, T4 it would not be insane but definitely something to charge a significant cost to however S5 or T5 would be somewhat insane and be a real rarity and thus the cost should be higher. So Say +1 S
5 pts +2 S 25 pts +3 S 125 pts.
So Exxon the overpowering as a human base with S6 and T6 would cost cost 255 pts where as the genetically altered marine would cost in at about 15 points

As it should be: A package deal should give you a discount.

Points costs also depend on the rest of the army it's in, rather than the metagame as a whole. Expensive power weapons make sense for Marines, but not for Guard or Sisters. Meanwhile, the Exorcist is the only vehicle Sisters have with an armor value above AV11, so its cheapness is completely and utterly warranted as it's the only thing they actually HAVE.

When I made a fandex for "space samurais" as part of a self directed school project (yes, I dared), I counted S and T as similar stats, so their points cost should be the same.

I think I counted 15 points per stat roughly, but I think I increased the points as the stat level got higher

i say go for that of greater daemons and daemon princes. the cost of unholy might and the mark of nurgle seem pretty legit considering both are applicable to the daemon prince at that cost.