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Crowe
3 units 10 men Purifiers 4 Halberds 1 Demon hammer 4 pyscannons combat squad the units
3 Razorbacks Twin linked lascannons search lights
2 Dread knights great sword incinerator and teleporters(shunt and 12 in move)

This army bleeds kill points ironically.

Crowe is next to worthless unless it is a IC or MC. Can't kill 2 genestealers in CC. For 3 turns (finally did it) He is a expensive tax to take this army.

After sweeping a local doubles touranment with the help of vindricire I want to take him more often.

Nothing really no CC ? This list has been doing very good I just want to hear if any one has any better ideas?

Your points are off by a lot.

Crowe

3 units 10 men Purifiers 4 Halberds 1 Demon hammer 4 pyscannons -879

3 Razorbacks Twin linked lascannons search lights-243

2 Dread knights great sword incinerator and teleporters-520

That totals out to 1792. Did you forget to add something?

As far as advice you pretty much have to combat squad every game or you are left footslogging everything. Even so your list already has 15 men footslogging.

You also have 105 pts dumped into Razorback weaponry. Keep in mind it is still an AV11 transport. Due to our higher cost units we dont have the points to be able to effectively spam Razors with this type of armament.

Id ditch the lascannons for psybacks. Frees up 90 points right there. Or switch them out for Rhinos since that effectively turns your rhino into a Razorback with Assault cannon+psybolt ammo (2 Psycannons shooting out of top hatch.) Its also not such a big loss when you lose them. 120 points vs 240.

The way I see it, if you drop the lascannons, plus the lack of not even having 1850 points yet you could field a strike squad in a Razorback, or a Vindicare, or even a Psyfleman Dread. Whatever you'd prefer.

1) I think that the Great sword on the Dread knight is way overpriced for what it does.

2) Have you though about running small purifier squads in Rhinos

2x Psycannons, 3x Halberds is a good unit. You get more LD9 flames, and you can shoot the psycannons out of the top hatch. Very cheap as well.


3) If you do take the Rhino MSU approach you will need some extra long range firepower. Psy-Rifle Dreads are usually taken in for this role.

I did leave out 58pts do know what to take, thanks for the reminder. I do like both ideas stated above. I see it as a waste to have full 10 men in Rhinos. You only get 2 guys to shot out of them and its only 2 shots a piece. If your transport blows up then you have 10 men walking opposed to 5
twin linked Lascannons are the best long range anti tank besides Pysrifle dreads.
I will need to see about maybe fitting in Vindicare he is the best Anti tank unit in the game.
In most games it is objectives why not have 15 Pruifiers and crowe camp objectives and provide fire support in cover.
the dread knights force the enemy to focus into them and igrone my razorbacks.
I am up in the air about the great sword as welll.
This list I have won 1 touranment and a few games with.
I will play around with it for a bit.

MSU in Rhinos is really the way to go when we're talking purifers and psycannons. 2x Shots coming out the top does everything you need it to, and at MSU stage you have better target saturation.

Vindicare being the best anti tank in the game...well okay. Reliable? Not really.
When your ArPen is reliant on multi dice rolls then you are left to the will of RanDom a little too much. YMMV.

Within 1850 you can easily run 2 PR Dreads (1 Reg/1 Ven), 2 HIT NDKs, 4 MSU Puri units, Crowe and then have about...150 points to play with. A non-transported puri unit or a vindicare could go in there, heck even a potent henchman/inquisitor unit fits in there.

I personally would invest my points in some more reliability.
PR Dreads are pretty reliable. 4 TL S8 Shots per turn for the life of the unit is nice.

You hit on a 2 roll 4 dice + d3 +1 pretty much any armour they have will be pinned. As well can switch to anti infantry he is a nice tool.

I have fought GKP in rhinos and they do not scare me that is why I am so hesitant to try it.

Keep in mind that cover saves are plentiful in todays games and look at the majority of what you will face in tournaments. Will the assassin hit reliably? Absolutely. Will the enemy be getting 4+ obscured rolls many times? For sure. Plus 145 points only to eat a lascannon/missile to the face can be very depressing.

Adepticon I believe the final 10 people had one Land Raider amongst them and some Battlewagons. Everything else was Razorbacks, Rhinos, Trukks, Chimeras, SR's, Vendettas etc. Dreads are better for those than the assassin just due to shot saturation.

I've done the MSU thing with Puri's and it can get rough. You bleed kill points and in tournaments many objectives are based on this. I switched up to a middle ground of MSU hybrid type list. Long range firepower isn't the GK's thing. Its always tempting to get those las cannons and such to dish out high str/low AP fire, but the PAGK sweet spot is 24"

My 1850 tourney list is as follows you can use as a reference or comparison.

Crowe
10 Purifiers, Hammer, 4 Psycannons, 4 Halberds
10 Purifiers, Hammer, 4 Psycannons, 4 Halberds
6 Purifiers, Hammer, 2 Psycannons, 3 Halberds
5 Purifiers, Hammer, 2 Psycannons, 2 Halberds
1 Psyback
3 Rhinos
2 Venerable Psyfleman Dreads
Dreadknight, Teleporter, Great Sword

On the vindicare as Anti-tank


You get one shot, The enemy can have Cover saves. (smoke, KFF, Flat out on a 4+, several spells that give a 5+)


He does nothing to mitigate this.


You have a decent chance to get a pen, you just have to hope that you can see a vehicle that it out of cover or that they fail a cover save.

Thank you both.

I still see vindicare as a good Anti Tank tool he is in my dragio wing as well.

I do like the list you have made and yes the list bleeds kill points so far it has done pretty good.
But the sweet spot is 24 in but you can also walk and get 30 in as well.