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So orks have basically two major competitive builds in the current meta Kan wall or battle wagon spam.I know people hate to play against deffrollas and call cheese if you bring more then one. Kan wall is slow and can easily get out maneuvered by anything with speed. Which set up would be more beneficial in the current bloodwolfknights meta

First, I love running a true horde list.. I think it's the most fun (except that moving 200+ models is a PITA on tournament day for three or four games in a row!)

That being said, I've converted to a three Battlewagon, two Trukk list and I find that I'm able to get the Sluggas where I want them to go much faster when they're mech'd up. I run them in a blob with a KFF Mek and its pretty effective.

I've always wanted to try and Kan Wall list - I've never seen them in action, but in theory.. seems like a good idea.

I run a 150+ boy green tide army with 9 Kanz and I've got to say its pretty bloody effective. At 2500 pts, I toss a Nob squad in to get access to a DT Battlewagon too. If you are going this route just remember to take something to jack up the enemies backfield/fast movers. Lootas, Snitrot+Warboss, deffkoptas are all reasonable choices.

CageUF wrote:I run a 150+ boy green tide army with 9 Kanz and I've got to say its pretty bloody effective. At 2500 pts, I toss a Nob squad in to get access to a DT Battlewagon too. If you are going this route just remember to take something to jack up the enemies backfield/fast movers. Lootas, Snitrot+Warboss, deffkoptas are all reasonable choices.

Exactly, if you have most of your army lumbering, you'll need some fast units (Deffkoptas), long-range fire support squads (Lootas), or outflankers (like Snikrot) to counter this and increase synergy.

azgrim wrote:I know people hate to play against deffrollas and call cheese if you bring more then one.

Ignore them. I had Badruk called cheese because he and his 9 flash gits blew away a hole squad of assault terminators in one turn. People tend to call cheese on whatever can actually hurt their army, especially if it hurts their expensive units. By popular opinion deff rollas, burnaz in battlewagons, diversified nobz, biker nobz, snikrot, lootaz, ghazghkull thrakka, kff big meks and kanz are all cheese. Which is basically a list of all our good stuff, save for boyz and gretchin. Many player just want to shoot millions of orks without them ever doing anything but screaming "Waagh!" and running at them at full speed, just like the fluff in about every non-ork codex suggests, and feel offended when orks do something else.

/rant

Jidmah is a genius lol. But he is 100% telling the truth. I used to play CSM long ago, and I was ok. Id lose alot and win some, but the games were usually close. I switched to Orks, and became a much better player, finally being able to play more games. Im not saying I could walk into a tourny and own the place, but I could table my former self with ease. But yea, Ive played a few people that used to beat me alot, and either kick their heads in, or win but with a close margin, and they those are the people that call cheese all the damn time. I cant tell you how many times Ive heard "Orks are so broken! How can I shoot 100+ boyz in 1 game? PKS everywhere? WTF man, CHEEEEEEESE!"

Yet those are the guys that would be set up to kill MEQs or vehicles. When I first started Orks, I ran alot of boyz, so yea, lascannons and meltas are a waste of my time Now though, I run alot of trukks/bws and I think that list suits me very well.