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I am looking for advice on building a mech guard list, and this is what I have come up with:

Company Command Squad, 2x Plasma Gun, Grenade Launcher: 85pts
Chimera, Hull Heavy Flamer: 55pts

Vetran Squad, 3x Melta Gun, Bolt Pistol: 102pts
Chimera, Hull Heavy Flamer: 55pts

Veteran Squad, 3x Plasma Gun, Bolt Pistol: 117pts
Chimera, Hull Heavy Flamer: 55pts

Vendetta: 130pts

Manticore: 160pts

Leman Russ Executioner, Plasma Cannon Sponsons, Heavy Stubber: 240pts

Any advice and/or improvements is welcome!

Yeah it could work. Personally I am not a fan of 230 pt tanks but I will have to try out that setup. Just a few things:

Drop stubber on your executioner. No need to make it even more expensive. Drop the GL on your CCS. I'd also swap your plasma on the one vet squad or meltas. Use these points to get 4 plasma guns on your CCS.

The stubber was purely to fill points, although I could cange it.

Also, I think that the Vets need special weapons to be effective:

Company Command Squad, 3x Plasma Gun: 95pts
Chimera, Hull Heavy Flamer: 55pts

Vetran Squad, 3x Melta Gun, Bolt Pistol: 102pts
Chimera, Hull Heavy Flamer: 55pts

Veteran Squad, 3x Plasma Gun, Bolt Pistol: 117pts
Chimera, Hull Heavy Flamer: 55pts

Vendetta: 130pts

Manticore: 160pts

Leman Russ Executioner, Plasma Cannon Sponsons: 230pts

This is my revised list.

RaptorsTallon wrote:The stubber was purely to fill points, although I could cange it.

Also, I think that the Vets need special weapons to be effective:

Company Command Squad, 3x Plasma Gun: 95pts
Chimera, Hull Heavy Flamer: 55pts

Vetran Squad, 3x Melta Gun, Bolt Pistol: 102pts
Chimera, Hull Heavy Flamer: 55pts

Veteran Squad, 3x Plasma Gun, Bolt Pistol: 117pts
Chimera, Hull Heavy Flamer: 55pts

Vendetta: 130pts

Manticore: 160pts

Leman Russ Executioner, Plasma Cannon Sponsons: 230pts

This is my revised list.

It looks good, I would drop the Plasma guns and bolt pistols on the vets squads and take Melta, Also ditch the manticore and get another vendetta. That way, your Vendettas can take out the tanks at range while your vets camp in chimeras and shoot it's HFs on infantry, and against MEQ's you have 3 Melta shots which is always handy and compared to plasma risk-free.

Hope this helps

I agree with dropping the manticore, as you have nothing back there to protect it as you march forward with your Chimeras. Same goes for the Sponsons on the Executioner as you really want to keep it moving up with your Chimeras. I would suggest giving it a Lascannon hull weapon vs the HB, unless your tight on points.

I also agree in ditching those bolt pistols. Guard end with 5 or 0 with 95% of their stuff, so you should be 1000pts on the head. Every 5pts is a special weapon, or a special weapon upgrade. Every special weapon slot should be filled with a Flamer, Melta gun, or Plasma gun, specially on BS 4 units.

To bad you don't have enough points to get some infantry in those Vendettas to make them scoring units. You could then have them sit over your home objective or zoom out to grab an uncontested objective. Otherwise you now have to sit one of your Vet squads back, which cripples your Chimera assault force when you only have 3 Chimeras to begin with. I am finding with only 2 scoring units in a 1000pts to be pretty...lacking. 2/3s of the games are objective games. To be honest, your going to have to either ditch the tank or ditch the Vendettas to get troops for those Vendettas or to camp your home objectives. If you want plasma and chimeras for everything, your limiting your flexability to take objectives and hold them because your taking the points from your troops to do it. They blow up your two Vet Chimeras and you can't win, period.

1) I saw no problem with leaving the manticore behind, as it can be hid in terrain, for a cover save, while bomabarding the enemy.

2) Bolt Pistols were to fill points

3) I want to keep the Sponsons on the Russ. I saw one in a 750pts tornament, and it decimated everything it faced.

4) If I were to play competetivly, I would need more than 2 troops, but most of the time we play pitched battle, kill points, as we just play for fun. (I only run 2 troops in 1750pts with space marines)

Thanks for the advice.

I still am just not a fan of plasma, Melta seems to be the jack of all trades for me, it takes down Vehicles & MEQ's with ease and without the risk of harming themselves, Dropping the Manticore and the Executioner (As much as I like it) Would give you the chance to get yourself two LRBT's with Heavy Bolters for infantry killing while those melta troops can take down the tanks with the vendetta.

Don't knock the the Manticore out of the fight so easily! Imagine the psychological effect when you drop 3 Pie Plates over the bulk of an enemy's force!, at str 10, AP4, I'd gladly gamble the D3 missiles for artillery support that can only be bested by 3 bassies at 225 points with a 36 inch barrage deadzone. Manticores ain't bad.

SoliderSnake wrote:Don't knock the the Manticore out of the fight so easily! Imagine the psychological effect when you drop 3 Pie Plates over the bulk of an enemy's force!, at str 10, AP4, I'd gladly gamble the D3 missiles for artillery support that can only be bested by 3 bassies at 225 points with a 36 inch barrage deadzone. Manticores ain't bad.

They are good fun, and can be good IF you get 3, but in a good competetive mech list they just don't work. You need a reliable unit and when I have seen a manticore or played against one it rarely does much against MEQ's because it's AP4, yes it can ID a special character but you do need the guy to fail his save. They work good against vehicles though.

^ yeah, but damn is it a sweet model to look at too. How is the Deathstrike? It looks like a lot of fun to fire.

SoliderSnake wrote:^ yeah, but damn is it a sweet model to look at too. How is the Deathstrike? It looks like a lot of fun to fire.

It's great fun IF it lands lol, chances are it will get destroyed before it gets to fire, so it's great fun to use in non competetive games, but for a winning army, it's best to steer clear of a one shot tank you might not even be able to use

But, OP, seeing as you don't want a competetive list and are going for a fun list, I'd say the manticore would be good to use, it depends who you come up against in your games.

In the casual games I've played it, it wreaks all sorts of havoc on horde armies, it's almost unfair haha. Almost...

Well, my usual opponents are:
Orks
Space Marines
Chaos Marines
Necrons
Blood Angels
and Imperial Guard
So I think the manticore could fare quite well, especialy as the orks are my brothers, so I play them alot.

Also, I agree that the Deathstrike missile is unreliable, hence why I don't take it.

Off Topic: Where do you guys source the Melta Guns for the vets from? I don't want to buy the metal troopers because 1) There Metal, and 2) There to expensive.

SoliderSnake wrote:In the casual games I've played it, it wreaks all sorts of havoc on horde armies, it's almost unfair haha. Almost...

Yeah, it's great against Tyranids or Footslogging Orks, because of the sheer number of models they will have hit, think about it, 20 gaunts in a squad or 20 Boyz, all being hit by one deathstrike, thats a lot of dead guys!, it will probably reach more than one squad too if it scatters right. It's great against vehicles too, seeing as there is no 'centre hole' so all vehicles get hit with the full Strength!


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RaptorsTallon wrote:Well, my usual opponents are:
Orks
Space Marines
Chaos Marines
Necrons
Blood Angels
and Imperial Guard
So I think the manticore could fare quite well, especialy as the orks are my brothers, so I play them alot.

Also, I agree that the Deathstrike missile is unreliable, hence why I don't take it.

Off Topic: Where do you guys source the Melta Guns for the vets from? I don't want to buy the metal troopers because 1) There Metal, and 2) There to expensive.

They sell meltaguns at GW for £5, if not, I have some spare meltaguns from my Chaos, but they look normal, not evil

I've seen the metal melta guns on GW, but someone told me they are space marine scale, and are bigger than guard ones.

For the moment, I am choping up flamers, out of the shock troops box, and turning them into flamers.
I chop off the bottom of the nozzle, and the lighter, as well as spining the ammo feed around.

RaptorsTallon wrote:I've seen the metal melta guns on GW, but someone told me they are space marine scale, and are bigger than guard ones.

For the moment, I am choping up flamers, out of the shock troops box, and turning them into flamers.
I chop off the bottom of the nozzle, and the lighter, as well as spining the ammo feed around.

When I wanted to start my Elysian Drop Troopers http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/367156.page, I was recommended these, I'm sure once they're painted they'd be fine. I'll check the size of my chaos meltaguns with a guardsman soon for you.

The link doesn't work, it produces an error message.
What was it to?

RaptorsTallon wrote:The link doesn't work, it produces an error message.
What was it to?

Modelling thread on metal meltaguns.

I snipe my meltaguns from wherever I can, Command Squads, The WarStore bits, etc. It blows my mind that they don't provide us with the weapons we need. wouldn't it make sense if GW gave each shock troop/jungle fighter package a plasma and melta too?

SoliderSnake wrote:I snipe my meltaguns from wherever I can, Command Squads, The WarStore bits, etc. It blows my mind that they don't provide us with the weapons we need. wouldn't it make sense if GW gave each shock troop/jungle fighter package a plasma and melta too?

Yes, it would.
I would be able to get the bits from command squads, If I didn't need so many, and the war store, If they weren't so expensive.

For my meltaguns I usually carve up the multimelta's that come with the Leman Russ sponsons. Who uses multimeltas on a russ anyway? That way you've got four extra meltaguns for each Russ you've got. Slice off the nozzle, then slice it in two (because multimelta's are basically double nozzle meltaguns), and attach it onto a lasgun or bolter with it's barrel cut off. The extra lasgun barrel makes for a good melta power pack if you stick it on the side. They look different, but still recognizable as a meltagun, nice and sleek and guardsman-sized.

Atalay wrote:For my meltaguns I usually carve up the multimelta's that come with the Leman Russ sponsons. Who uses multimeltas on a russ anyway? That way you've got four extra meltaguns for each Russ you've got. Slice off the nozzle, then slice it in two (because multimelta's are basically double nozzle meltaguns), and attach it onto a lasgun or bolter with it's barrel cut off. The extra lasgun barrel makes for a good melta power pack if you stick it on the side. They look different, but still recognizable as a meltagun, nice and sleek and guardsman-sized.

I would love to see a thread with pics of these!

yes, most definitely. Similarly, I make Plasma guns out of chopped down Lasguns and Space Marine Plasma Pistols that my friends don't need. For some reason, in each sprue, they get tons.