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Ok, so it's 1 am and I could not sleep because I had a great idea of an army! So I came up with "The 3rd Rebel Grot Brigade: Cuz da uva 2 died...". This will be a themed army that I think will be competitive. I will use grots as all my infantry guys and make grot bosses for each of the respected characters. I will make everything look as if grots looted the vehicle. Here we go!

HQ-

Company Command Squad- 4 melta guns
-- Lord Castellar
- Master of Ordinance

Primaris Psyker-

ELITES-

Guardsman Marbo-

TROOPS-

Vet squad x10 -Vox caster
--Vet SGT-

Vet squad x10 -Vox caster
--Vet SGT-

Vet squad x10 -Vox caster
--Vet SGT-

Vet squad x10 -Vox caster
--Vet SGT-

Vet squad x10 -Vox caster
--Vet SGT-

FAST ATTACK-

x2 Vendetta-
x2 Vendetta-
x2 Vendetta-

HEAVY SUPPORT-

Manticore Rocket launcher-
Manticore Rocket launcher-

Hydra Flakk tank x2(squad)

So the vets go inside the vendettas and the command squad also go in a vendetta. Marbo pops out and janks units that I see fit. The rest well.. just shoots stuff. Now I have yet to get a codex, just messing with army builder atm, so let me know if there are things I am doing wrong. Also C&C is most welcome as I do not know much about IG. I really want to make a IG grot army! And this is one way of being competitive and making a themed army for sure! Thanks for looking. I am also missing 30 points so any upgrades advice is awesome!

Hmm not to be rude but "competitive" isnt the first word that comes to my mind

If you're going melta command, drop creed and the MoO. They're not really doing much. Not a real fan of the psyker, he doesnt have all that much for powers. Marbo is ok I suppose. Drop all the voxes seeing they arent doing anything. Vet squads also need weapons otherwise they wont do diddly squat compared to normal guardsmen. I suggest meltas and maybe plasmas. I dont like relying on vendettas for air cav, especially squaded ones. Maybe drop one in each squad and get chimeras for all but 3 of the vets. HS is ok

I love the number of Vendettas, keep them! instead of the MoO, consider taking an Astropath. If you outflank with even one or two squadrons of Vendettas filled with your Melta CCS and/or plasma/melta vets, you are really going to ruins someone's back line. =D

Thanks for the advice, I really have not made IG lists before and this one sounded really fun. So, just take Astropath and meltas for the vets?

Bring on the anti guard rage hate, 6 vendettas and 2 manticores and 2 hydras wow that's serious annoyance as well as cost. Plus your vet squads might as well be infantry squads without upgrades, assault vehicles and ordanance will own them.


For more rage hate, field some chimeras and plasma/melta max to really get people flaming

Updated the list.

CCS-4 meltas
-Lord Castellan
-Astropath


Guardsman Marbo-

Vet squad x10- 3 meltas
-Vet sgt-

Vet squad x10- 3 meltas
-Vet sgt-

Vet squad x10- 3 meltas
-Vet sgt-

Vet squad x10- 3 meltas
-Vet sgt-

Manticore-
Manticore-
Hydra flakk tank squad x3-

Vendetta x2-
Vendetta x2-
Vendetta x2-

Using Castellan ability to give a unit scout, give the hydras scout them out to a flank.


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Anyone???

This list is much nastier than the original. 6 vendettas is very good assuming you use them right. I would drop creed, marbo and the 3rd hydra to take more veteran squads. creeds' orders are not pivotal for this list, hydras don't need to outflank to do well, marbo is not necessary, the 3rd hydra is overkill as 2 in a squad is fine, but you MUST have enough troops.

keep Marbo, He can cause ruin a perfectly laid plan by the enemy

"Note that if such units are picked from thier army list together with a dedicated transport, they may outflank with thier transport, but if they do so they must move onto the table embarked in it." Outflanking from Reserves, pg 94 BRB
"If a unit with this ability is deployed inside a dedicated transport vehicle, it confers the Scout ability to the transport too." Scout special ability, pg 76 BRB

You can't outflank units in Vendettas unless the unit has outflanking as well.

You can't give orders to units in vehicles, and you can't give orders from vehicles, and you can't give orders to vehicles. Chimera has a special rule called 'Command Vehicle' that allows orders to be given from it. A CCS in a Chimera can not give itself an order though... don't think about it to hard.

You can come in from Reserve with your entire force (with any units really), you just randomly arrive on your table edge and your considered to have moved to get there. Good luck getting shot to pieces piecemeal like that.

BlkTom wrote:"Note that if such units are picked from thier army list together with a dedicated transport, they may outflank with thier transport, but if they do so they must move onto the table embarked in it." Outflanking from Reserves, pg 94 BRB
"If a unit with this ability is deployed inside a dedicated transport vehicle, it confers the Scout ability to the transport too." Scout special ability, pg 76 BRB

You can't outflank units in Vendettas unless the unit has outflanking as well.

That doesn't seem right to me. If this is the case, then how can other non-outflanking/deep-striking units take drop pods, mycetic spores, etc? I always figured that the unit inside was being taken along for the ride as the Vendetta came in from the sides.


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Besides, there is no RaW that denies the Valk/Vendetta its Scout/Outflank ability. Also, when rolling for reserves, you roll for the vehicle, not the unit embarked inside, which I interpret to mean that you follow that units reserve rules and not the one's inside.

Yeah a transport with scout can outflank with passengers. Vendettas aren't great at it though, since they can't fire all lascannons in the same turn.

Almarine wrote:Yeah a transport with scout can outflank with passengers. Vendettas aren't great at it though, since they can't fire all lascannons in the same turn.

Right, but opponents who put their long range guns so close to the outflanking edges are in for a rude awakening when that puppy with melta-vets comes in and ruins their day =D

Yeah it's still lethal of course. If I knew I were outflanking my guys then I would probably go for a valkyrie, but vendetta vets is a great Plan B for when your LCs have no targets or would be wasted in normal deployment.

What's BlkTom talking about? If I were to scout anything it would be the hyrdas, given scout from Lord Castellan. I would just setup fire lanes with the vendettas. This is until I would get more experienced with the army of course. =D


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What do you guys think of the list so far? Do I need more of something or less of another? Although I do want all the vendettas!

no definitely keep them, and the manticores, there's your AV and Anti-horde right there, Im just not so sure about the Lord Castellan, to me, he's a little too expensive to give a unit scout, and with the units you have atm, the orders would go to waste most of the time, imo. If you drop Creed, you can get another Melta CCS to hop in a Vendetta to join your other Vets to give them the Bring It Down or Fire On My Target, to devastating effect.

I don't have the codex as of yet. But don't I need a commander guy?

The Company Command Squad does not require a special character, he's taken as an upgrade. With a base point value of 50 points and how versatile you can kit them out, the CCS is a steal.

Whats the point value your working to?

I am using 2k points.

blasto0341 wrote:What's BlkTom talking about? If I were to scout anything it would be the hyrdas, given scout from Lord Castellan. I would just setup fire lanes with the vendettas. This is until I would get more experienced with the army of course. =D

Having a Astropath for one unit is a waste. If your only going to outflank a unit with Creed's ability, make sure it is something you don't mind waiting on.

Yeah a transport with scout can outflank with passengers.

Almarine, could you please PM me a page number where this rule is found?

There's no rule per se, but there is no rule that explicitly forbids this. The scout USR towards transports is cited as the dedicated transport itself does not have the rule. It could be implied that a vehicle with scout can take a unit embarked in it without the same rule, as there is nothing that says it cannot be done. besides, when rolling for reserves, you roll for the vehicle, ignoring the embarked unit inside.

I've PMd and stuff. Basically what snakeman said. Maybe ask in YMDC if you're not convinced.