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Draigo Charged 3 Obliterators which of one which had 1 wound left when the others had 2 wounds each, Draigo attacked and caused 5 wounds of which 2 were saved.
Then Draigo proceeded to use his Force weapon power twice causing instant Death on the models with 2 wounds, which left the one wound to go on the model with had suffered a Get Hot in the previous turn also causing him to die. was this done correctly seeing. Me and my freind were kinda of curious because we had to read threw it rather fast and where wondering if we got it right. People input would be appreciated.

What the heck...was what done correctly?

Ask a specific question, we are not here to interpret your ramblings. Ask a specific question, don't give us a gosh darn story and then ask "WAS EVERYTHING DONE RITE".

Ok let me poss the question then Since you cast the the Force power after wouund have been dealt how do you deal with the Instant and the allocation since it say you have to put them on full models where in this since all the models were the same wound it go the first model is dead and the second model just suffered 2 wounds from the instant death causing force weapon. Or how would the force weapon be used in this situatiopn seeing as i was not totally certain.

Now I don't have my big book on me at the moment, so I'm trying to do this from memory. Take this with a grain of salt because of that;

The psychic test that is part of the force weapons "activating" is done before wound allocation, or as I remember it, as soon as a wound is inflicted a psyker may make a psychic test...

Now because I don't have the book in front of me, since it's in storage, I may be wrong on that quote. However, what I am pretty sure about is it is done BEFORE wound allocation, it is done after the wound step, before the allocation step. Which means that Draigo would make the psychic test after the wounds were inflicted before the saves in this case. Since all the models are armed the same all saves are taken as part of the same wound group, but each failed save means you must remove a whole unwounded model if possible, or in this case all three obliterators die because you failed 3 of the 5 saves.

Grey elder wrote:Then Draigo proceeded to use his Force weapon power twice causing instant Death on the models with 2 wounds

Something to watch out about this, and I'm going from memory again, you are saying that Draigo used two psychic powers to activate the weapon. If I remember correctly, force weapons only need to be activated once then all wounds inflict ID.

1. Draigo causes wounds
2. You roll your saves
3. You allocate all unsaved wounds
4. Draigo takes a pys test to activate his force weapon
5. Draigo now selects ONE target that had an unsaved wound allocated to it
6. That target suffers instant death

If he can cast two powers per turn, two unwounded Oblits will die, since you need to remove unwounded models first.

After saving throws (meaning after allocation for complex units as well), take the test to use the weapons power against any one opponent that suffered an unsaved wound, and if passed causes instant death.

So you could take the test twice for 2 unsaved wounds, seems like you get to choose (in which case you'd choose the full strength models), and cause instant death. In this case, all 3 models had the same equipment, so that all wounds are on the 3 models, meaning the 2 instant death wounds have to go to the full strength models, but if the 3 were different then it would be a little different, but basically same result.

This brings up the question though. If there's a squad of paladins or purifiers, each with 2+ attacks, do you have to roll each model individually if you want to use the force weapon, because only one un-saved wound per model may cause instant death, and some models might not wound at all and others will wound multiple times only able to use the force weapon with one wound?

This is how it should be done:

Driago attacks: causes 5 wounds.

You allocate them to the squad.

They fail 3 of the saves. This means the squad has to take 3 wounds.

The GK makes his psychic test.

If he fails the test, then the 3 wounds are just regular wounds, and the model with 1 wound, and a model with 2 wounds is removed.

If the test is successful, then the wounds are instant death wounds, and will kill all three.

Not quite true

GKGMs, Draigo included, only get to make ONE wound cause ID, per successful psychic test. This is different to GKs in general, but is actually the normal force weapon rule.

So in order for Draigo to cause 2 ID wounds, he needs to pass 2 psychic checks.

Grey elder - if you could attempt a little more in the way of punctuation and grammar it would be a great help in deciphering your questions

nosferatu1001 wrote:
GKGMs, Draigo included, only get to make ONE wound cause ID, per successful psychic test. This is different to GKs in general, but is actually the normal force weapon rule.

Is this because the GK GM's (and other IC's) lack the Brotherhood of Psykers rule? Or is there another reason the GK IC's only get 1 insta-kill per psy-test?

No. When a model uses a force weapon, the brb says you can only choose 1 model to be the target of your ID, so a squad of 5 men could kill 5 models, but a lone IC can only kill one. Unless he has mastery level 2, in which case, he can take 2 tests and kill 2 different units (or 3 for mastery 3)

Sentai - essentially, yes. They have "standard" forceweapons, where only one ID wound per test is caused.

GKGMs have nemisis weapons so can cause insta death on more than 1 model. Draigo only has a normal force weapon so could only kill 1 model.

Only one die get instant death.

In the codex only the brotherhood of psyker rule allows all unsaved wounds to be instant death.

Not true.

BoP is required, and even if a GMGM / LIbby / etc are part of a unit with BoP, by the time you resolve attacks they are treated as a SEPARATE unit again.

I want to clear something up,

In the rule book it says you gain an additional force power when you have a force weapon. so if your mastery level 1

that is 1 psychic power and the power psychic power so two in total. also the rule book does not say you have to use it on the fore weapon so all Gk have 2 psychic powers, its just they can't use them on anything else other than the two they have LOL.

You gain the "force weapon causing instant death" psychic power, but can still only cast one per turn (unles syou have more than mastery 1)

Marthike wrote:I want to clear something up,

In the rule book it says you gain an additional force power when you have a force weapon. so if your mastery level 1

that is 1 psychic power and the power psychic power so two in total. also the rule book does not say you have to use it on the fore weapon so all Gk have 2 psychic powers, its just they can't use them on anything else other than the two they have LOL.

No. It says it confers 1 additional pys power to the model wielding it; a power used in cc etc etc

It is NOT giving you a higher mastery level, allowing you to cast an additional pys power per turn, it is just giving you an extra pys ability... the ability to charge the weapon and cause instant death.

NFW from a GM can ID more than 1 model, brotherhood of psykers rule only states the unit must only pass a single test. The rules for NFWs state that after the first wound you take a test, so if a GM wounds 3 nobs and the first non fails it's invun then you would take a test and if passed you would ID the first nob and any other nobs that failed the invun. That is why NFWs are better than regular force weapons.

Yeah, the Titan Sword is just a normal Force Weapon with the Deamonbane rule and a couple other goodies. That being said, only one of those wounds should have been ID.

Lennysfury wrote:NFW from a GM can ID more than 1 model, brotherhood of psykers rule only states the unit must only pass a single test. The rules for NFWs state that after the first wound you take a test, so if a GM wounds 3 nobs and the first non fails it's invun then you would take a test and if passed you would ID the first nob and any other nobs that failed the invun. That is why NFWs are better than regular force weapons.

Grandmasters do not have the Brotherhood of Psykers rule.

squad sounds whiped

I know they don't have it. That is what I'm saying.... The brotherhood psyker rule has nothing to do with NFWs besides the fact that it just means 1 roll is needed to activate them. The rules for NFWs are what make it so you can kill more than 1 model with a GM.

No, it is not. The ability for all wounds to cause ID is DIRECTLY linked to units having BoP. Reread the rules on page 21. If you dont have BoP you cannot cause ID on more than one wound

Draigo would have had to have tested multiple times for every Id wound.

he is Mastery level 2 so could have done 2 ID wounds.

nosferatu1001 wrote:No, it is not. The ability for all wounds to cause ID is DIRECTLY linked to units having BoP. Reread the rules on page 21. If you dont have BoP you cannot cause ID on more than one wound

Actually, it's any Nemesis Force Weapon, read the 'force weapon' part of the NFWs.
But Draigo has the Titansword, which is a normal force weapon, not a NFW. So only one wound would inflict instant death, but the controlling player chooses which wound it is. So a 2-wound obliterator would die, the 1-wound one would die, and the other 2-wound one would lose a wound.

I have done. Read the other thread on this.

"the unit" mentioned is the same "unit" as the line about the Brotherhood of Psykers.