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I do not have the codex in front of me at this time. How far can a Vindicator move and shoot its ordinance shot?

Depends...

Is it a regular VIndicator or a turbocharged rodimus-boom BA Vindicator?

Assuming a regular one you can move 6'' and fire the boomgun , but no other weapons.

Blood Angels ones can go 12'' and fire it :(

Black Templars can move twelve and fire as well. Assuming they are equipped with PotMS.

-Nara

You can not move at all and fire indirect... it's barrage on the profile...


(if you dont play GW FAQ's)

Seriphis wrote:You can not move at all and fire indirect... it's barrage on the profile...


(if you dont play GW FAQ's)

It's an Errata, not an FAQ. It's an official change in the codex. You must play it as such

Ordnance Weapons, whether barrage or not, cannot be moved and fired. If the Vindicator moves 6", it can fire its pintle-mounted storm bolter, but nothing else.

Incorrect.

BARRAGE cannot move and fire.
Vindicators are NOT barrage.
Ordnance (whether or not it is also blast) has been able to move and fire for the last two editions.

A regular SM vindicator can move 6" and still fire (but may not fire anything else if it does so)
BT can go 12" and fire with POTMS.
BA can go 12" and fire because of "FAST vehicle" rules.

Sam__theRelentless wrote:Ordnance Weapons, whether barrage or not, cannot be moved and fired. If the Vindicator moves 6", it can fire its pintle-mounted storm bolter, but nothing else.

You're thinking of 3rd edition. This is 5th edition. Reread the ORdnance rules and note that there is no such restriction listed.

chromedog wrote:Incorrect.

BARRAGE cannot move and fire.
Vindicators are NOT barrage.
Ordnance (whether or not it is also blast) has been able to move and fire for the last two editions.

A regular SM vindicator can move 6" and still fire (but may not fire anything else if it does so)
BT can go 12" and fire with POTMS.
BA can go 12" and fire because of "FAST vehicle" rules.

I don't know about the BA etc. but I know for a fact that a demolisher cannon clearly says "Ord 1, Barrage" in the weapons profile.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Sam__theRelentless wrote:Ordnance Weapons, whether barrage or not, cannot be moved and fired. If the Vindicator moves 6", it can fire its pintle-mounted storm bolter, but nothing else.

You're thinking of 3rd edition. This is 5th edition. Reread the ORdnance rules and note that there is no such restriction listed.

Sorry. I don't actually have 3rd edition, but neither do I have the 5th brb in front of me at the moment. Will do.

I don't know about the BA etc. but I know for a fact that a demolisher cannon clearly says "Ord 1, Barrage" in the weapons profile.

No it doesn't, they are Ord 1, Blast in all the space marine codexs as well as imperial guard.

And even if they were barrage,because they are ord-barrage, you are still allowed to move and fire directly; you just can't fire them as a barrage attack unless your unit stands still

Yes, okay. You're right about being able to choose whether to fire them barrage or not, but obviously if you don't fire it barrage you don't cause pinning.

Nevertheless, see the attached picture.

Sam__theRelentless wrote:Yes, okay. You're right about being able to choose whether to fire them barrage or not, but obviously if you don't fire it barrage you don't cause pinning.

Nevertheless, see the attached picture.

Yes, but they made a mistake, they cleaned this up in the FAQ.

Sort Of Off Topic: Can a BT Vindicator move 6", fire it's Demolisher and then fire the Storm bolter with PotMS?

Aha, sorry. I'm new to the FAQs, but I have just downloaded them and read through them. You are correct.

I just like to think I understand the rules well.

You should have noticed it was also only Barrage in one place - the summary - which in general is the most error prone part of any codex (sadly!)

The FAQs are two parts - Errata, actual rules changes, and FAQs (which sometimes do change the rules....!)

nosferatu1001 wrote:You should have noticed it was also only Barrage in one place - the summary - which in general is the most error prone part of any codex (sadly!)

The FAQs are two parts - Errata, actual rules changes, and FAQs (which sometimes do change the rules....!)

Everyone makes mistakes...

Yep, and GW do a lot of the time - which is why they have FAQs. Sadly those FAQs often have mistakes - the first version of the SW one had furious charge working when counter attack is used...

Can a BT Vindicator move 6", fire it's Demolisher and then fire the Storm bolter with PotMS?

No. PotMS lets you fire one more weapon than normal - if you fire the SB, EVEN WITH potms, you are still trying to also fire Ordnance "normally" - which you cannot do if you are firing other weapons.

Either way round you shoot, the ordnance rule kicks in.

Yes, a BT vindicator with potms can move 6" and fire both it's demolisher and a Storm Bolter (and may fire at different targets as per potms rules).

Except you cant

If you fire the Cannon "normally", then by trying to fire the SB with PotMS you cannot fire the cannon, a you are firing other weapons

If you fire the SB "normally", then you cannot use PotMS to fire the Cannon, as doing so invokes the Ordnance rules and prevents you firing the SB.

No matter which way round you try it, the Ordnance rules will prevent the "normal" shooting from working.

I stand corrected, you can't fire any other weapon with ordnance (BRB p.58)

One other tidbit that most people miss. A Fast vehicle can move up to 6" and still fire an Ordnance Barrage weapon (Page 70, main rules). So if the Vindicator was a Barrage it could move and shoot it indirectly.

don_mondo wrote:One other tidbit that most people miss. A Fast vehicle can move up to 6" and still fire an Ordnance Barrage weapon (Page 70, main rules). So if the Vindicator was a Barrage it could move and shoot it indirectly.

If It was from BA or BT

Only BA, as PotMS simply lets you fire the weapon, it doesnt let you fire a weapon mode you cannot use if you have moved.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

don_mondo wrote:One other tidbit that most people miss. A Fast vehicle can move up to 6" and still fire an Ordnance Barrage weapon (Page 70, main rules). So if the Vindicator was a Barrage it could move and shoot it indirectly.

If It was from BA or BT

?? This is a main rulebook rule that allows Fast vehicles to fire Ordnance Barrage as long as they move at Combat speed. So it applies to ALL armies.

don_mondo wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

don_mondo wrote:One other tidbit that most people miss. A Fast vehicle can move up to 6" and still fire an Ordnance Barrage weapon (Page 70, main rules). So if the Vindicator was a Barrage it could move and shoot it indirectly.

If It was from BA or BT

?? This is a main rulebook rule that allows Fast vehicles to fire Ordnance Barrage as long as they move at Combat speed. So it applies to ALL armies.

Yeah but a vindicator isn't a fast vehicle in C:SM Or C: Dark Angels

It also isnt barrage in either.

If BA could take a fast Whirlwind it would matter....

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

don_mondo wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

don_mondo wrote:One other tidbit that most people miss. A Fast vehicle can move up to 6" and still fire an Ordnance Barrage weapon (Page 70, main rules). So if the Vindicator was a Barrage it could move and shoot it indirectly.

If It was from BA or BT

?? This is a main rulebook rule that allows Fast vehicles to fire Ordnance Barrage as long as they move at Combat speed. So it applies to ALL armies.

Yeah but a vindicator isn't a fast vehicle in C:SM Or C: Dark Angels

I never said they were. All I was doing was pointing out a little known rule that Fast Vehicles can move and fire Ordnance Barrage. Geez!!