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Hi everyone this is a custom farseer that I created, it is a mix of Autarch and farseer.

The story goes that he is the most powerful psyker in the material galaxy and is known as the seventh phoenix lord. He is from my own Craftworld, Yggdrasil, and is the supreme leader of it

The High Seer

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
7 5 3 4 3 6 3 10 3+(invulnerable)

Special Rules: Psyker, Fleet, Independent Character, Master Strategist, Eternal Warrior, Fearless, Master Seer (all psychic powers have 18" range apart from Doom which has a range of 30")

Wargear: Ghost Helm, Rune Armour, runes of witnessing, runes of warding, spirit stones, shuriken pistol, Blessing of Yggdrasil (+1 toughness, included in profile), Blade of Ynnead (Witchblade that ignore armour saves and allows the use of a fourth psychic power per turn)

Psychic powers: Doom, Eldritch Storm, Fortune, Guide, Mind War, Warding of Yggdrasil (-1 modifier to wound at target friendly unit), Eldritch Bolt (Range 18" S3 Ap- Assault 3 Blast, rending, pinning.)

Points: 320

Thoughts please?

Cool. Topic should be moved to proprosed rules or make da call, btw.

Thx, should i post a new one in that location?

It's alright, we'll move it .... now....

Soon you will get over the whole "imma make the biggest badass of bad asses, yeah 7th pheonix lord!"

Fisrt off, they Pheonix lords are the embodiments of the Aspects of the path of the warrior (not path of the seer).

The only Autarch style thing i see is master strategist and weapon skill. Also why is he toughness 6?. make him toughness 5 max and keep eternal warrior. or drop eternal warrior.

We see to many of these "Im going to make "insert primarch name here" with 10 for every stat". We have written fluff. There are not 7 pheonix lords, and he doesnt have form of aspect.

Sorry for rant. Dont like the idea of quite frankly stupid characters.

Also im generally not this aggresive, but im sick of these threads.

Tekeino wrote:Soon you will get over the whole "imma make the biggest badass of bad asses, yeah 7th pheonix lord!"

Fisrt off, they Pheonix lords are the embodiments of the Aspects of the path of the warrior (not path of the seer).

The only Autarch style thing i see is master strategist and weapon skill. Also why is he toughness 6?. make him toughness 5 max and keep eternal warrior. or drop eternal warrior.

We see to many of these "Im going to make "insert primarch name here" with 10 for every stat". We have written fluff. There are not 7 pheonix lords, and he doesnt have form of aspect.

Sorry for rant. Dont like the idea of quite frankly stupid characters.

Also im generally not this aggresive, but im sick of these threads.

In my fuller background story that i have written i say that he is sometimes referred to as the seventh phoenix lord, only because he never dies, there is always someone to replace him, and he is the embodiment of the path of the seer. He is toughness 4, the stats became disjunct for some reason.

WS 7
BS 5
S 3
T 4
W 3
I 6
A 3
Ld 10
Sv 3+(invulnerable)

Eldar Farseers grow tougher as they age, the psychic energies changing their bodies. You do not need a special rule to justify T4 for an older Farseer. Blade of Ynnead allows a fourth psychic power, when he can only use two psychic powers base, typo?

He's got T4, Tekeino. Yes, the fluff doesn't fit, but try to do as most people do and avoid threads you think are silly

Sry, the typo is that the special rule Master Seer allows a third psychic power to be used per turn

Hmmm. He doesn't really have any downsides does he? He's perhaps too well rounded, a bit too all singing all dancing. I can see you've attached a sufficient price tag but I feel like he loses a bit of character by not having a weakness.

If you are going to invest in a new special character for the eldar, perhaps tuning it so that it affects the army in a way that an existing character doesn't instead of taking an old one (eldrad) and just making him more powerful. Perhaps a rule or two that affects army organisation or the availability of units would make it suitably different and game changing.

On the other hand the fluff you have created for him shows that you obviously care about the idea, and if you're not set on changing him then I would say he fits his points cost.

I appreciate your comment, I especially like the idea of giving him a game changing ability, I was thinking of him allowing one retinue of warlocks (3-10) that can be divided into independent characters so aspect warriors could benefit from some the warlock powers, thoughts?

Now that I really like the sound of. The chance to spread some warlock psychic powers around your army and make the psychic stuff more prevalent. I would suggest if you are going to introduce the warlock rule then perhaps tone down his combat potential. Either that or the psychic powers. Not to meddle with your fluff too much, but he could be more of a warlock special character, thereby combining the aspect warrior/farseer thing you were going for. Either way having a rule that let's you have more warlocks or even beef them up is a huge bonus and needs to be balanced by making the dude himself less powerful.
Perhaps an option to upgrade a warlock or two by giving them a farseer power?

How about this?

The High Seer

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
7 7 3 4 3 5 3 10 3+(invulnerable)

Special Rules: Psyker, Fleet, Independent Character, Master Strategist, Eternal Warrior, Master Seer (all psychic powers have 18" range apart from Doom which has a range of 30")

Wargear: Ghost Helm, Rune Armour, runes of witnessing, runes of warding, spirit stones, shuriken pistol, Blessing of Yggdrasil (+1 toughness, included in profile), Blade of Ynnead (Witchblade that ignore armour saves and allows the use of a fourth psychic power per turn)

Psychic powers: Doom, Eldritch Storm, Fortune, Guide, Mind War, Warding of Yggdrasil (-1 modifier to wound at target friendly unit), Eldritch Bolt (Range 18" S3 Ap- Assault 3 Blast, rending, pinning.)

Warlocks: A retinue of 3-10 warlocks may be taken and used as independent characters.

Points: ?

Thoughts please?

seems to lack creativty, you basically took eldrad and made everything better.

I mean its not nessesarily creative and hard to say "This is ____, hes the most powerful person ever, his stats are higher than everyone else's".

I also find it funny that you give your own craftworld the most powerful farseer ever, it somewhat alienates the other craftworlds.

To be honest the lack of a backstory, the lack of fluff to explain why hes the most powerfull farseer, and the blatant "hey im a badass" rule you gave him gives me a negative view towards this proposed rule.

I also dont like the fact that you call him the seventh phoenix lord......when he hasnt created an aspect nor has he lead an aspect...........and how the eldar path of seer isnt the same as the eldar path of an aspect warrior......so this blatantly ruins the fluff. Also all phoenix lords follow fuegan......and phoenix lords dont lead a craftworld...........and I believe that most craftworlds are either led by a high seer council......or led by royalty such as yriels......so yea this compleatly destroys the fluff.

In my fuller background story that i have written i say that he is sometimes referred to as the seventh phoenix lord, only because he never dies, there is always someone to replace him, and he is the embodiment of the path of the seer.

Im still on the side of him being too powerful as an individual. Eternal warrior, 4 psychic powers a turn and the warlocks rule is still a little OP for my tastes. Plus you've given him 2 new psychic powers, he has more attacks and WS than eldrad and still has a 3+ invul. I'd rather see him focus on the special rule you've created, which is great, and lose the emphasis on him as an uber powerful character.

As others have said, most opponents won't like to play against a homebrew character that essentially trumps an already powerful special character, for a premium of 30 pts more. If you give him some flaws, like a lack of fleet, or lower WS or attacks, initiative or something that means he wont strike first, wound and kill loads before you get to hit back against his 3 up invul which probably has a re roll, and can't be insta-killed.

How about this?

The High Seer

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
6 5 3 4 3 5 2 10 3+(invulnerable)

Special Rules: Psyker, Independent Character, Master Strategist, Eternal Warrior, Master Seer (all psychic powers have 18" range apart from Doom which has a range of 30")

Wargear: Ghost Helm, Rune Armour, runes of witnessing, runes of warding, spirit stones, shuriken pistol, Blessing of Yggdrasil (+1 toughness, included in profile), Blade of Ynnead (Witchblade that ignore armour saves and allows the use of a fourth psychic power per turn)

Psychic powers: Doom, Eldritch Storm, Fortune, Guide, Mind War, Warding of Yggdrasil (-1 modifier to wound at target friendly unit), Eldritch Bolt (Range 18" S3 Ap- Assault 3 Blast, rending, pinning.)

Warlocks: A retinue of up to ten warlocks may be taken and used as independent characters.

Points: 320?

I would say around 280-300 for that. Otherwise that seems good, a little more friendly than what was previously proposed.

Any ideas on how he's going to look?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440239a&prodId=prod1160110a

The farseer from this set, just with a different scheme, I will post a picture when I have finished painting him.