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If Brotherhood Champion multi charges and happened to hget into base contact with a sqaud and a Transport vehicle and lets say the Champion died and then activated his ability on the vehicle in base contact , Whats happens?
1. Is it subject to this rule?
2. What happens to the troops embarked in the transport , DO they also get destroyed along with it?
What are peoples opinions on this matter?

Sorry for bad grammar new keyboard and was in a rush.

i don't know what you said but what i think you mean is "If a Brotherhood Champion charges a vehicle and somehow manages to die while in base contact with the vehicle in the assault phase and successfully activates Heroic Sacrifice, what would happen to the transport and transported models?"

the answer would be yes, the transport and all transported models are removed from play (no saves)

So the unit multicharges, the Brotherhood Champion goes for a vehicle. In the countercharge, the enemy unit gets into contact with the Champion and kills him. Now you activate the sacrifice power and try to take out the vehicle?

I don't see anything against it, at the moment. Heroic Sacrifice specifies enemy model, and if he charged the vehicle, it's a legal CC target in base contact.

If it was a transport, my first reaction is that the unit is dead, too, since the transport model is removed and not wrecked or exploded.

Hellstorm wrote:i don't know what you said but what i think you mean is "If a Brotherhood Champion charges a vehicle and somehow manages to die while in base contact with the vehicle in the assault phase and successfully activates Heroic Sacrifice, what would happen to the transport and transported models?"

the answer would be yes, the transport and all transported models are removed from play (no saves)

If thats true then damn.

*enter comment on GK being overpowered, just to save people time*

I really think it was intended as 'infantry model' but as it stands right now you could remove almost any model in the game, APOC included, for relatively few points lost. The enemy can't opt out of killing you, after all, so if you can get placed just right you can be a real jerk with this power..

Yeah, taking out titans and such... probably not the intended use of the power

His just that awesome LOL.

Yes very broken rule but not the only broken rule in the game.

it would be super cool to see a movie/video made of the titan vs. champion fight.
the titan stomps on the bc, and smashes him to a blody mess but then the champion somehow stands up and smashes the titan in his death throes.
Epic(x10)

I think it's fairly obvious that all Brotherhood Champions attend the Lukas the Trickster School of Casualty Removal.

On topic, yes, Heroic Sacrifice works on vehicles. If it's a transport, RAW the contents cannot disembark, because the vehicle is not destroyed - it is simply removed. Looks like a pretty powerful tactic, but the setup balances it out. Remember, the Champion has to die for the power to work, so you either need a transport vehicle that can attack back (e.g. Flechette Launchers) or to multicharge (alongside a unit) a transport and another unit, and hope that your opponent doesn't "react" his defenders in such a way to minimize the damage to the Champion.

Of course, against a titan...

Heroic Sacrifice will indeed work against a vehicle, so long as it is in base contact with the Champion.

However:

Grey elder wrote:If Brotherhood Champion multi charges...

Single model units can not 'multi charge'... When you declare an assault, it is declared against a single enemy unit. The first model in the assaulting unit then moves into base contact with the closest model in the enemy unit by the short route possible, but is specifically prohibited from moving into contact with other units (page 34, 'Moving Assaulting Models'). Subsequent models can be moved onto other units to cause a multiple assault, as per the Multiple Assault rules... but there is no possible way for single model units to assault more than one enemy model.

insaniak wrote:Heroic Sacrifice will indeed work against a vehicle, so long as it is in base contact with the Champion.

However:

Grey elder wrote:If Brotherhood Champion multi charges...

Single model units can not 'multi charge'... When you declare an assault, it is declared against a single enemy unit. The first model in the assaulting unit then moves into base contact with the closest model in the enemy unit by the short route possible, but is specifically prohibited from moving into contact with other units (page 34, 'Moving Assaulting Models'). Subsequent models can be moved onto other units to cause a multiple assault, as per the Multiple Assault rules... but there is no possible way for single model units to assault more than one enemy model.

OK what i meant to imply was that he is in a squad of other models.

Just curious if he dies from a tank shock via Death or Glory could you use that ability? or is that outside the time to use psychic powers?

It only works in the Assault Phase, so no, it won't work when he is run over via DoG.

Player 1- "Ha! My 2500 point Warlord Titan just beat you HQ to death!"
Player 2- "I'm going to activate my Heroic Sacrifice power"
Player1- "Ha ha ha h- what?

I wonder if Matt Ward jumps out of a closet whenever someone pulls this trick

Its no worse than Lukas. In fact as it requires a succesful check AND a roll to hit, its far less likely....

Grey elder wrote:

insaniak wrote:Heroic Sacrifice will indeed work against a vehicle, so long as it is in base contact with the Champion.

However:

Grey elder wrote:If Brotherhood Champion multi charges...

Single model units can not 'multi charge'... When you declare an assault, it is declared against a single enemy unit. The first model in the assaulting unit then moves into base contact with the closest model in the enemy unit by the short route possible, but is specifically prohibited from moving into contact with other units (page 34, 'Moving Assaulting Models'). Subsequent models can be moved onto other units to cause a multiple assault, as per the Multiple Assault rules... but there is no possible way for single model units to assault more than one enemy model.

OK what i meant to imply was that he is in a squad of other models.

He can not join a squad. His not an independent character.

Brother hood champion is an independent character - under special rules in his codex entry. Crowe is not however.

mray01 wrote:Brother hood champion is an independent character - under special rules in his codex entry. Crowe is not however.

Sorrryyyyyy, I don't know where is my head, I been thinking too much about crowe. LOL sorry

Titans and such are immune to instant removal, they take D3 structure points or something instead I think and GC's take D6 wounds or soemthing if I remember right (Someone can confirm if wrong).

On topic that makes his power very handy to have, especially vs expensive nid creatures or land raiders :(

Duce wrote:Titans and such are immune to instant removal, they take D3 structure points or something instead I think and GC's take D6 wounds or soemthing if I remember right (Someone can confirm if wrong).

On topic that makes his power very handy to have, especially vs expensive nid creatures or land raiders :(

Titans and Gargantuan creatures ignore psykic powers that do not have a strength value.

Duce wrote:Titans and such are immune to instant removal, they take D3 structure points or something instead I think and GC's take D6 wounds or soemthing if I remember right (Someone can confirm if wrong).

Apocaplyse pages 91 and 93: Gargantuan creatures and Super-heavy vehicles are immune to Psychic powers ( friend or enemy ) with the exception
of those that are attacks with a Strength value. GC are also immune to the Instant Death rule and additionally are not affected by attacks that would automatically
kill a model. Such attacks cause D3 wounds instead.

LOL, I just found a role for Crowe - Tank hunter! I'd love to see the look on my opponents face, taking out a LR filled with Terminators using heroic sacrifice XD

The opponent can decide to not attack your brotherhood champion. IC can be picked out in combat and targetted or you can target the squad.

The models only in btb with the Brotherhood champion HAVE to attack him.

rogueeyes wrote:The opponent can decide to not attack your brotherhood champion. IC can be picked out in combat and targetted or you can target the squad.

however, if the IC is alone... then doom on you!