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Psyker Mastery 2 can activate his force weapon twice.

He does 2 wounds to a complex multi wound unit (Nobs)

Does he choose before the test which wound to attempt to make ID or does he take the test then choose?

Additionally can he (assuming he didn't cast any other powers) try twice to activate on the same wound if the first one fails?

Not quite sure what your asking. Read the rules for Force Weapons again. Once the Force Weapon is activated all subsequent wounds cause instant death. It's not 1 activation per wound, its 1 activation and then ALL wounds cause instant death.

The only reason to ever have to use a Force Weapon twice is if you failed to activate it the first time IE: rolled an 11 or 12 for Psychic test. Other than that activating your Force Weapon twice is a waste of a Psychic Power not to mention a Perils risk. Your better off activating your Force Weapon and then using Hammerhand. Plus if you put your Psyker in a squad you can activate Hammerhand twice and then have your Psyker activate his Force Weapon for Str 6 instant death power weapon attacks!

Not nfw. Just regular force weapons...

Actually it is the rules for Nemesis Force Weapons that he needs to read, they vary slightly from the standard Force Weapon description in the BRB.

1) Only Nemesis weapons do that, not all force weapons
2) ICs with Nemesis weapons are not Brotherhood of psykers, therefore their force weapon does not make all wounds cause instant death.

So, thawn who is not an IC and has mastery 2 would be affected normally by the Nemesis rules, and would make all wounds cause ID

GKGMs etc would not be.

There are several psykers who are can be made mastery 2 with upgrades from codeices other than grey knights. This question is NOT about Nemisis Force Weapons.

You use the power "against any one opponent that suffered an unsaved wound."

You must declare which enemy model you are using the Force Weapon power against, then roll.

After this, you can activate it again if you'd like and choose another enemy if you are allowed to use another power.

If you fail the power the first time, you can attempt to use it again.

Somerandom has it right, you 'use the weapon's power against any one opponent that suffered an unsaved wound by the weapon in that player turn'

So you roll to hit, roll to wound, the opponent takes any invuln saves, then the Psyker picks one of those wounds to roll a ID test for, rolls and pass or fail if he can cast 2 powers per turn, he picks another unsaved wound and rolls again.

So bythat logic,

A lib with that can cast 2 powers in cc with a hive tyrant and guard that caused 2 wounds can make2 attempts to ID the tyrant should the first test fail due to sitw.

Damn that sucks

Doesn't suck considering that Tyranid player probably has Shadows in the Warp meaning the libby is rolling 3d6. And if it isn't a libby or IC then they're making that test at Ld9, or if their Justicar or Knight of the flame have already blown their own heads up then Ld8.

nosferatu1001 wrote:1) Only Nemesis weapons do that, not all force weapons
2) ICs with Nemesis weapons are not Brotherhood of psykers, therefore their force weapon does not make all wounds cause instant death.

So, thawn who is not an IC and has mastery 2 would be affected normally by the Nemesis rules, and would make all wounds cause ID

GKGMs etc would not be.

Can you explain the reasoning in the second point? If you are referring to the wording in the NFW activation rules, I'm seeing the Brotherhood of Psykers rule only being referenced to allow the unit to roll once to activate all weapons with a caveat that ICs need to roll separately.

nobody wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:1) Only Nemesis weapons do that, not all force weapons
2) ICs with Nemesis weapons are not Brotherhood of psykers, therefore their force weapon does not make all wounds cause instant death.

So, thawn who is not an IC and has mastery 2 would be affected normally by the Nemesis rules, and would make all wounds cause ID

GKGMs etc would not be.

Can you explain the reasoning in the second point? If you are referring to the wording in the NFW activation rules, I'm seeing the Brotherhood of Psykers rule only being referenced to allow the unit to roll once to activate all weapons with a caveat that ICs need to roll separately.

That paragraph says "If the test is passed..." in reference to "unit with BoP need only take a single psychic test." Basically, the whole paragraph only refers to how NFWs interact with BoP units, not regular ICs (that's just how it's phrased, grammatically speaking).

Yonush - then dont use "Mastery 2", given that is a Grey Knight specific term. it would have made things a little clearer!

Xcalibur has it - the "all wounds now cause ID" is only for BoP models; ICs are not BoP. And, while they can join units with BoP, when they come to resolve their attacks they are again a separate unit.

Interesting, my reading of the rule was that the BoP statement was only there as a reminder that such units only have to roll once. Was there a thread already dealing with this I can reference for the arguements?

Its the same context - unit - in both the BOP sentence and the following sentence. The unit with BoP is then referenced with the unit causing ID on all wounds

Whether this is what was meant, I'm not sure.

My reading was that the line starting "Note: Units with BoP...." was just reminder, and letting you know that ICs have to roll separately.

The wording is wonky, but I read it as though you could skip from the first sentence where it mentions they act as Force Weapons down to "once the test is passed..." with no interruption. I figured if ICs were going to be treated separately, the caveat for them would have been at the end of the paragraph.

Nevertheless, I can see the other side on this one and the wording is bad enough where I'd most likely not bother arguing this one if it came up in a tournament.

Sometimes I really wonder if GW editors would be able to tell a taxi driver where they want to go.