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If an Ork looted a Land Raider with it's armour 14 on all sides, why would it's armour suddenly degrade to near Rhino-esque armour?

Crappy Ork-standard rusty iron compared to blessed Imperial Admantium?

But if it was freshly looted, wouldn't it be the same armour?

Because a looted Land Raider is a battlefortress rather than a looted wagon?

Becuase orks aren't good at this "maintenance" nonsense that others like so much.

Because the Tankbustas probably put a few massive holes in it before the Meks got to it.

And the proposed rule is?

Looted vehicles should keep the armor of the vehicle they originally were?

IIRC, it was like that in the last codex, but it doesn't really work with the generic looted vehicle we get currently. You'd need different point values for for different looted vehicles.

Yeah, the differing values opens all sorts of confusion. They should create a rule set to custom build unique looted vehicles.

if i'm remembering correctly from a previous conversation with another gamer orks used to be able to loot prett ymuch anything... BUT it also cost as much as the vehicle. i might question the validity, but basically you could take a land raider looted but you had to pay the 225 points for the thing. i think they changed it for obvious balance issues

G00fySmiley wrote:if i'm remembering correctly from a previous conversation with another gamer orks used to be able to loot prett ymuch anything... BUT it also cost as much as the vehicle. i might question the validity, but basically you could take a land raider looted but you had to pay the 225 points for the thing. i think they changed it for obvious balance issues

Well, if you (the Ork player) are paying the same price as your opponent (the Space Marine player) for a Landraider, you are likely on the wrong side of that number, what with BS 2, no special rules, etc.

I hav eno idea how it worked, it was a conversation long ago. I think it was second edition so no clue how the game worked back then. but i think you kept the vehicle profile so for example power of the machine spirit would still be applicablee. again I hope somebody who has been playing for a long time chimes in I'm curious why it changed from this, I am assuming balance issues but would like to know

And what happens to people who made looted 'fexes and stuff?

This brings up an interesting point. A looted raider has worse armour cuz of orky know-wotz.
But what about a looted DE raider?

thunderingjove wrote:Yeah, the differing values opens all sorts of confusion. They should create a rule set to custom build unique looted vehicles.

Frankly, use battlefortresses for looted heavy or superheavy tanks such as land raiders or baneblades.

IMO.
Ork loted vehicles should have had a bit more variety.

Battle Wagons represent large troop carrying vehicles.Trukks and bikes and buggies/traks are what the lighter vehicles are kustomised into.

This leaves the smaller armoured transport ,and light weapon carrying vehicles the current looted wagon represents .(Rhino-Chimera etc.)

But there should have been the option for a Tankk. AV 13/11/10 armed with a single Boomgun/killkannon , and up to 2 big shootas or rokkitz or scorchers.
Half way betwen a looted wagon and a Battle Wagon.

This then allows ork players to use Konveted vehicles from any race....and use them in a similar fashion to thier intended use.

Lanrak wrote:But there should have been the option for a Tankk. AV 13/11/10 armed with a single Boomgun/killkannon , and up to 2 big shootas or rokkitz or scorchers.

Needs more dakka.

because in the 3ed codex Orks could have a land raider with red paint, grot riggers and a KFF making it the hardest apc in game and Mega Nobs did not count as two models (for example terminators) so would just Rhino rush IG, Tau, Nids.
It really was OP and i play Orks.
i think the new Battle Wagons with a killkannon works well for a looted Leman Russ
what i dont like is in the old rules you could have 3 looted Rhinos for 1 HS or with Klan rules you could have 9 looted Rhinos for all 3 HS. This made a really nice Deathskulls army

You do know how Orks actually loot things right? You dont really think they just find a perfect one sitting in a parking lot with the keys in it do you? The loot AFTER they blew the hell out of it. Not to mention Orks like their vehicles open topped, so they slice the roof off and add "cool" stuff to them. That super awesome armor goes down pretty fast

Yeah, I think the current looted vehicle rules work well as well, used to love being able to loot an LRBT with its beautiful Armor 14 front but current rules are just fine, and it's cheaper. My looted landraider is actually a battlewagon, heavily modified. I struggle to see how orks would make a Landraider work for them, with all that technology and the machine spirit that keeps shooting at them etc. Also, it can only carry 10 boyz! why wouldn't the Orks want to build some more space into it.

As I said, looted land raider = battlefortress. Not Looted tank.

Melissia wrote:As I said, looted land raider = battlefortress. Not Looted tank.

Ah, gotchas; as in, only appropriate for Apocalypse.

*shrug* Say waht ya want, it's still the closest equivalent.

The cross-purposes of the Ork fluff is what bothers me about the looted wagon. I mean, all Ork stuff is crap, stolen from somewhere else, amalgams of the broken and the stolen, be it a Trukk, a Battlewagon, a Titan, a Starship, etc. This Frankenstein-ism is what makes it so easy to trade your Landraider into a Battlewagon once the ruleset for the Lootawagon turned bad in the current edition.

(I have a similar problem with Lootaboys -- couldn't the fluff for the heavy support speak more to their love of the big bang over the big chop? I say yes, but that's off topic.)

Ork vehicles should be re-envisioned conceptually. For example, Trukks are for the speed-addicted Orks; Lootedwagons are the vehicles of Meks & Big Meks (re-named Mekwagons); Battlewagons are the vehicles of Nobs & Meganobs; Battlefortresses are the vehicles of Warbosses & Warbosses of Warbosses (e.g., Ghazzy).

If an Ork loots something, it isn't automatically a looted wagon; one of my friends has a Monolith that's been knocked on its side and had wheels crudely stuck on it; he fields it as a battlewagon. He also has a looted destroyer, which is an Ork holding a chain around the destroyer's neck, with a pair of Guass Cannons mounted on the back; he calls it a Warbuggy. Then there's his Chimera, which he actually fields as a Looted Wagon