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So I am starting a new eldar army, and I've been considering this, frankly mostly cause I like the models. Keep in mind that I want a primarily shooty list, as I already have a whole lot of CC armies. I am not too fussed about being TOO competitive, just enough to win some FLGS games.

1 - Avatar

1 - Farseer, Doom, Fortune

8 - Striking scorpions with BB and SS

10 - Guardians, Scatter L

10 - Guardians, Scatter L

10 - Dire Avengers, 2 S. Cat, Bladestorm
Wave Serpent with ML

5 - Pathfinders

6 Warp Spiders - Withdraw, Spinner R

2 Fire Prisms

1 Wrathlord with Sword and ML

Works out to around 1480 pts.


The idea being the Avatar marches with the Guardians and the Wrathlord protecting the guardians and ATing, the Pathfinders camp objectives, and the Dire Avengers take forward objectives or key enemy units. The SScorpions and Warp Spiders are there for support.
My main concern is that I might not have quite enough long range AT... the prisms and ML are decent, but that's only 4 shots....
My other concern is TEQs... I doubt the Wrathlord and Avatar can handle those alone, but I'd rather not spend the massive premium on BLs. The Prisms help tho.
I could swap the Wrathlord for a couple of war walkers, but I hear he works better in Avatar lists...and I really like the avatar.

Any help/critique about how to make this work? Thanks!

First point for me is to drop the spinneret rifle. Stats wise the two DS are better, unless you specifically want to model the exacrch with one as a project.

Secondly, you might find you struggle to pop any really heavy armour. There's no need to go overboard having 3 units of dragon wagons, but 1 unit of 5 Fd in a wave serpent will give you something to deal with those pesky LRs, monliths and leman russes. I personally think that the dragons are great looking models too, so there's less of an aesthetic objection. Other than that, I think you'll have some fun with that list.

You might find some things that don't perform as well as you'd hope, but as a model collection in friendly games I don't think you'll do too badly. Against anyone playing a newer codex or running harder lists then you might struggle but it would need more of an overhaul to start to beating those lists regularly.

Needs more War Walkers. You want a shooty Eldar list, and by the looks of it a Guardian Gunline style list- War Walkers should be practically auto include.

3 War Walkers w/ 6x scatter lasers costs 180 points, occupies a single heavy support slot, and shoots 24 s6 shots per turn. Awesome. You combine that with a farseer with guide nearby, and suddenly you are connecting an average of 18 s6 shots per turn on the target of your choice.

Your farseer needs to be more streamlined.
1) Runes of Warding is right now, the best thing about the farseer. 15 points for the best psychic defense in the game is nothing to scoff at. You should be taking it, especially against these newer armies.
2) don't take more powers than you can cast. That means 2 powers + spirit stones, or just a single power. You want to keep your farseers lean and focused on their role.
3) I would take guide + doom for a list like this. Eldar have lots of really shooty bs3 units, and guide can be a great help for that shooting.

Harlequins would be better than striking scorpions in a list like this. Harlies have the shadow seer charachter add on that makes them impossible to target past 24(?) inches. They also have the same number of attacks (higher base), and the same strength (furious charge), they also get a better initiative, rending (you need kisses), and hit and run. Harlequins are the best foot counter charge unit for a reason.

Pathfinders are extremely meh. They'd have potential if they didn't cost a rediculous number of points. I know that this game isn't about "making your points back" and hasn't been for some time, BUT, pathfinders cost so many points that they severely limit your ability to take other units... Just leave them in the box. You'd be better off either taking another squad of guardians to benefit from fearless.

I agree with Reanimator on the Duel Spinners vs Spinnerette Rifle. Duel Spinners = 4s6 shots. That volume of fire actually makes them BETTER at sniping terminators than the Spinnertte rifle. When you consider that you've got 4 trys to get through the 2+ save, and the Spinnertte rifle is being blocked by either a 3+ invuln, or a 4+ cover, or at the very least a 5+ invuln, the DDS pulls ahead against the targets the Spinnerette rifle was designed for. Quantity is a Quality all its own.

I also agree that a dragon squad will do more for your list than the bladestorming DA. You've got a lot of anti infantry, but not enough anti tank.

I would consider running a falcon and a night spinner along side 3 war walkers as your heavy support. Your farseer can sit in the falcon and be protected, as well as offering guide support for either the Falcon or the War Walkers- whichever needs it more.

If you were to compile everything I posted here into a list it would look like this

Avatar
Farseer- Warding, Spirit Stones, Guide, Fortune

5 Fire Dragons
Wave Serpent- tl shuri cannon
8 Harlequins- 1 shadow seer upgrade, all with kisses

10 Guardians- scatter laser
10 Guardians- scatter laser
10 Guardians- scatter laser
5 Dire Avengers (ride in Falcon)

Falcon- missile, holofields
Night Spinner
3 War Walkers- 6x scatter lasers.

Now the list as I posted it isn't perfect, but its very gunline. It'll rip apart razor backs and rhino lists with volume of s6 fire, but you'll start having trouble against tons of av12 tanks, since this list isn't the most maneuvrable. the Falcon and the Dragons will help with that. The list won't win tournaments, but it would treat you pretty well in a FLGS causal environment!

Uhhhh any eldar units in the open not in transports besides jetbikes isnt competitive.

Eldar isnt hard at all. Farseer with doom. 3 Squads of 5 fire dragons in wave serpents. A couple squads of 5 dire avengers in wave serpents and falcons. Falcons/Prisms/War Walkers for heavy support. Anything else isnt competitive lol.

Yes well smitty the op specifically suggested he was keen on the models and fluff not an overly competitive list so....

Anyway. Akaean is on the money, walkers are awesome. Plus the models are indeed cool. I like scorpions but harlies are more efficient for any footdar list. Again the models
look great and can be used effectively. Farseers are one of the most beneficial hqs around and will benefit your army, but you'll need to decide howuch your set on winning vs how much you like fluff and models.

That's kinda disappointing to hear Smitty.

Thanks for the list akean! I am very much willing to swap scorpions for banshees, but I was under the impression that banshees die very easly in the open, am I wrong? I went scorpions because I could infiltrate. I also love the fire dragons, I just figured Pathfinders would be good for objective gathering. Isn't three guardian squads too much tho? Why not 2 and I buff up the Dire Avengers?

Also, I am guessing then that war walkers are better for such a list than a Wrathlord? Again, I read that Wrathlords work better for Avatar armies.

Finally, I guess Fire Prisms are not very appreciated? I was adding them because I figured the list needed some heavy AT... the NS and Falcon wont help that much on that, though I am sure the fire dragons will.


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In fact, how about I drop the falcon, get a wave serpent for the Fire dragons, and get 2 Prisms instead of a night spinner?

DrDuckman wrote:
That's kinda disappointing to hear Smitty.
Sad, but relatively true.

Thanks for the list akean! I am very much willing to swap scorpions for banshees, but I was under the impression that banshees die very easly in the open, am I wrong?
All Eldar die in the open (Except for Harlies with Shadowseers), so just don't do it. Put them in the Wave Serpent Taxi, they will love you long time!

I went scorpions because I could infiltrate.
I've never tried this.

I also love the fire dragons,
Fire Dragons are full of win. I feel like groups of SIX is the magic number)

I just figured Pathfinders would be good for objective gathering.
I think Pathfinders are great objective babysitters, but cost too much pointswise.


Isn't three guardian squads too much tho? Why not 2 and I buff up the Dire Avengers?
I think two kitted out Dire Avenger Units @1500 are better than three guardian squads. Better range on the Avenger Catapult, Better WS/BS, etc. If you go to 2000 points though, I would take a minimum of three scoring units though.

Also, I am guessing then that war walkers are better for such a list than a Wrathlord? Again, I read that Wrathlords work better for Avatar armies.
I can see both being of value, multiple Eldar big monstorous bad guys running around can be scary, but can also be tarpitted if not careful. I never leave home without my Scatter Laser War Walkers. If they're guided, even better.

Finally, I guess Fire Prisms are not very appreciated? I was adding them because I figured the list needed some heavy AT... the NS and Falcon wont help that much on that, though I am sure the fire dragons will.
In my current 2000 point list, I use two Fire Prisms (STR9 at range individually for armor/monstorous creature duties or a combined beam of STR6 AP3 that makes marines cry) and a Squad of War Walkers with Scatter Lasers (for volume of fire and light armor work). I still take 6 Fire Dragons in a serpent though for those up in your face encounters or when someone's packing a Land Raider full of TH/SS Terminators. I love busting up their ride and making them walk.


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In fact, how about I drop the falcon, get a wave serpent for the Fire dragons, and get 2 Prisms instead of a night spinner?