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Ok got a 2500 point tournament in July to go to and this is what i think I want to run. With Updates and Improvements.

HQ
Chaos Sorcerer 155
Mark of Slaanesh, Lash of Submission,Warptime, Familiar

Chaos Sorcerer 155
Mark of Slaanesh, Lash of Submission,Warptime, Familiar

Elites
Chosen x5 165
x5 Plasma Guns

Chosen x5 140
x5 Melta Guns

Terminators x3 140
x3 Combi-Melta, x2 Power Fist, Chainfist

Rhino 35

Troops
Thousand Sons x9 254
Aspiring Sorcerer, Doombolt

Plague Marines x7 231
Plague Champion, Power Fist, Combi-Flamer, Plasma Gun, Plasma Gun

Khorne Berzerkers x10 250
Skull Champion, Power Fist

Noise Marines x7 220
Noise Champion,Power Weapon, Doom Siren, x6 Sonic Blasters

Rhino x4 140

Heavy
Defiler 150

Obliterator Cult x3 225

Obliterator Cult x3 225

Point cost as of right now 2500

Opinions, Suggestions,Bitches, Moans, Groans, Complaints are all welcome, i am tryin to win my first tournament ever!

Everything needs a rhino.

1 landraider aint so great- take 2+ or none.

Mixing weapons on CSM aint great + heavy bolter is probably the worst heavy weapon choice. I'd drop the champion and give um 2 meltaguns- or better yet, 2 squads of 5 each with 1 meltagun in rhinos. Plague marines are used for their ability to take 2 special weapons even with a squad size 5 (2 plasmaguns or 2 meltaguns)- as of now- you have 0 special weapons in the squad- yet pay extra to have the champion carry a combi-weapon.

List needs a lot of work to contend in competitive play.

Dont take a single daemon prince... he will die fast

I'd take a sorceror in terminator armour and put him with your termies (drop squad to 4 if need be)...

get lots of rhinos and take double special weapons in CSM squads

drop the defilers fo havocs with 2AC and 2ML each

What should i give the Sorceror then? thinking of dropping the CSM and i dont have two Autoguns or i would take them. The other two HQ choices are Lucius the Eternal and Abaddon the Despioler.

Warptime definitely...

well i updated the list some today what do you think Plux?

Who isn't riding in a Rhino? I see 6 units and 5 Rhinos...

The Khorne Berserkers are riding in a land raider with Loucius

I'd only take ACs and ML than any lascannons - just cos of hit ratios and stuff and that ML and AC compliment each other well

I really would take a sorceror over a daemon prince, I promise you that it would be a good idea - they survive better!

i would give the havocs a rhino and 4 meltaguns, honestly. I dont like how expensive our Heavy weapons choices are generally for the havocs, but they can do the rhino-melta thing for cheaper than the chosen (granted without infiltrate)

Im also not a big fan of terminators, but then we really dont have much else good in our elites, so hey, whatever.

Get some raptors, they're always fun

Raptors are amazing with MoS!

and I love havocs too...

what about bikes?

I personally am not as big a fan of bikes. cant get stuff done in melee, and get shot up even with their higher T

eh dont matter i dont even have enough points for the bikes or the raptors...need suggestions on what to add

Like I was suggesting, drop the terminators. that combined with your already ~100 spare points gives you an easy raptor squad

true but what would i kit them out with then??

I suggest MoS, Lightning claws, and meltaguns if you can afford them.

Better initiative than MEQ, so you can face up against any other assault marines and win. Meltaguns for tanks / termis or even just MEQs.

yea thats only 5 raptors with two melta guns no PW, PF, or LC...

Take into consideration I'm suggesting you drop the terminators for these as well. Points wise you can afford ~8 with all the wargear I suggested

Definitely think about the raptors over terminators...

alabamaheretic wrote:The Khorne Berserkers are riding in a land raider with Loucius

See, one of the bigger problems with Chaos Terminators (besides the moral) is the lack of a decent transport option. You can DS, foot slog, or ride in a land raider. I seriously suggest you put the Terminators in the Land Raider with Lucius if you keep them and get a Rhino and a extra berzerker for that other berzerker squad. Get another Terminator to make use of the transport capability (giving you 4 Terminators and Lucius) and look at making them an assault unit. I will seriously recommend IoCG, but with a small unit like this, IoK would be my second choice, or even IoS or IoT. IoN can be interesting, but does nothing against Str 8 Power Gloves. If you make this an assault unit, I suggest two Terminators are Lightning Claw Terminators. The other two with Combi-meltas and the off hand power weapon depending on the Icon you take... IoS, go power weapon, IoCG/IoK/IoT... power glove and a chain fist. Then put the Icon on a LC terminator and all of them have different equipment for wound allocation. Making them all Champs for that extra attack can make them pretty potent. Just remember the Terminators can have Land Raiders as dedicated transports, so it doesn't take up a heavy slot.

Every Rhino with plasma or assault troop should have a combi-melta on it to pop vehicles. I will note Rhinos suck to assault from. I personally would rather put Zerkers in Land Raiders, but to do that you would need two more Land Raiders.

Every squad that is not a cult troop needs an Icon of Chaos Glory for moral purposes to stay in the fight (looking at the Havocs here).

I like havocs with 4 MLs or 4 ACs or a mix of each... 1 ML and 3 ACs is a interesting combo. Your mix is...conflicting. ACs are pretty ineffectually against AV 12+ and are best used against AV 12 or less targets. Lascannons are best against AV 12+ and overkill against less. If you have Lascannons, you want them to fire on things the ACs can't really effect. If you keep the Lascannons, switch the ACs for MLs, as the Krak has a slim chance to glance AV 14 (1 in 6). If you want them as Rhino poppers and anti-hoard, ACs and MLs is the route to go.

If you keep the terminators, that is what I would do to make them more effective. Your extra points are not points you have nothing for, just stuff you should have bought that you should have. If you do have enough points and you give the LR to the Terminators (along with the other equipment I have suggested), get a second Havoc squad or even a Pred with Lascannon sponsons. You could even get a Dread and run it along side the LR, just make sure to make it a CC dread or give it a weapon that can't hurt the LR.

I agree with everything BlkTom suggested. I particularly like the dread idea, seeing as it will smash into whatever the terminators end up assaulting if it rages.

I like the idea of giving the terminators the IoT and i already have two kitted with PF so adding a chainfist is not a problem. and i can look for some lighting claws. I am going to switch the ACs out for MLs. And the dread could be intresting...now i just gotta convert my Ironclad to a chaos dread. lol. The on ly problem i have with the raptors is i have a limited budget and until july 17th to get this list ready painted and good to go. So it seems back to the lab again. Oh i am trading out the DP for a Sorc. He preformed wonderfully today. WT and WoC was his friend I also thought about giving him Bolt of change or even doom bolt. Thanks to the MoT i had two power was going to get him a familair to get a third maybe i should give him lash WoC and WT...pricey but might be fun. Thank you all three of you for the advice. So i think its time to start converting. *runs off to the lab*

I suggest magnets for the arms for chaos terminators to give you more flexibility. This way you have have multible arm combos with only a few bodies.

Yea sounds good just dont know where to get the magnets at...so the terminators are fine or should i drop them for the raptor attack?


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what do you think about noise marines?

Google is your friend.

I would not drop the Terminators for Raptors. But it is up to you, maybe you will enjoy the Raptors more.

I don't use Noise Marines. Someone else will have to answer that for you.

i been googling other 2500 pt army lists and i know chaos terms get the short end of the stick. well thanks any way on the though about noise marinesi do enjoy my terms alot. i guess ill have to play test the raptors to see how i like them.


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Play testing the list today...

So i got my ass handed to me against nids...lances suck...swarms suck even more noise marines worked well need more of em dropping one of the berzerker squads, praxas sucks too, putting the havocs back in taking out the pred getting a termicide unit...and thinking about taking raptors.