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Alrighty... With the new RB FAQ out, and a certain entry reguarding PSA and needing to roll to hit, i decided to make a list...

NON PSA


PSA that do not need to roll to hit


PSA that need to roll to hit (or scatter)



PSA that may, or may not need to roll to hit (contested)



Any that should be in other catorgories? And have the contested powers been argued into a state of agreement one way or the other yet?

Mind War has the exact same wording in all relevant aspects as Lash of Submission (used instead of shooting) and it does not have a weapons profile. It never says "attack", either, just "choose".

Mind War has been FAQ to be a PSA.

Jaws of the World Wolf hits automatically, that `s what makes it so cheesy.

Oh, yeah, the 2009 Eldar FAQ. Though MW strictly do not require roll to hit (it's crap enough)

Mind War and Mind Worm, to me, seem to read as not needing to roll to hit.

But as all PSA now need to roll to hit (unless specifically stated otherwise) and the wording on old dex's are, well, bad. Neither of those powers state they automatically hit, so following strict RAW, do they need to roll to hit?

Also JOTWW is being argued about so I put that in the contested tab. But to me, that shouldn't need to roll to hit and i wouldn't make my SW opponents roll to hit. But again following strict RAW i think the argument it that the SW FAQ states that the first closest model becomes the target and the power also doesn't state it auto-hits, and can therefore, miss (somehow)

The Eldar FAQ states that they are PSA with exceptions. I wouldn't blame the codex, it's the FAQ really.

dayve110 wrote:

Also JOTWW is being argued about so I put that in the contested tab. But to me, that shouldn't need to roll to hit and i wouldn't make my SW opponents roll to hit. But again following strict RAW i think the argument it that the SW FAQ states that the first closest model becomes the target and the power also doesn't state it auto-hits, and can therefore, miss (somehow)

How can a line miss?

The line goes in the wrong direction?

Its like asking "how can a rocket miss"

Or how you shoot the Vibro Cannon...

Alright, that was ambiguous. I am talking about gaming terms. How can a line, resembling a huge crevice, miss not hiting anything at all? At least, if you assume, that the crevice goes in roughly the right direction.

See my comment regarding Vibro Cannon. How can a device which essentially creates a localised earthquake (albeit one that agitates matter in it's path more than simply shake the ground) miss completely? For that matter, how can it affect skimmers, flyers, etc?

One could assume that the JOTWW was simply poorly directed, slow, or simply cast in such a way that it was laughably easy to avoid. It was cast by a mere human, after all.

Or the crack never breaks the surface.

Many different ways.

The rule tells you to place the line, period.

There is no roll to place a line, there is no roll to hit, there is no roll to wound, there is not even a declaration of a target, or checking range to said target. These are all codex excpetions as outlined on page 50 of the BRB that override the general rules for psychic shooting attacks.

Brother Ramses wrote:The rule tells you to place the line, period.

There is no roll to place a line, there is no roll to hit, there is no roll to wound, there is not even a declaration of a target, or checking range to said target. These are all codex excpetions as outlined on page 50 of the BRB that override the general rules for psychic shooting attacks.

There is no exception to the core rulebook. The FAQ tells you to roll to hit, period.

nkelsch wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:The rule tells you to place the line, period.

There is no roll to place a line, there is no roll to hit, there is no roll to wound, there is not even a declaration of a target, or checking range to said target. These are all codex excpetions as outlined on page 50 of the BRB that override the general rules for psychic shooting attacks.

There is no exception to the core rulebook. The FAQ tells you to roll to hit, period.

No. Read the first paragraph of page 50. The exceptions to the general rules for psychic attacks, which includes psychic shooting attacks, are in the codexes. That includes the FAQ to the BRB. If the codex tells you to do something different then then BRB, you do exactly what the codex tells you. You are either not reading it out of lack of knowing that it is there or you are not reading it out of blind ignorance.


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Page 50, Pskers:

The psychic powers available to our models are not discussed further here, but are described in detail in the Codexes, where you will find complete rules for individual powers. The following general rules explain how psychic powers are employed. Exceptions to these rules are covered in the Codexes.

Also thunder clap does not scatter. The codex says to use the blast template to determine the models that are hit, not that it is a blast style weapon, and that the marker is placed touching the rune priest. No scatter. The template is only used to show the effected area of the power.

Brother Ramses wrote:

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Page 50, Pskers:

The psychic powers available to our models are not discussed further here, but are described in detail in the Codexes, where you will find complete rules for individual powers. The following general rules explain how psychic powers are employed. Exceptions to these rules are covered in the Codexes.

Rude post is rude.

There is no exception in the codex to rolling to hit in the codex. Other powers automatically hit in the codex, this one doesn't.

Implying the 'line' is a template and doesn't need to roll to hit is making up rules and not supported by anything. Rolling to hit is supported by the rules as nothing in the codex exempts you from the core rules for PSA.

To use a PSA one needs to elect a target unit as per the shooting sequence rules, this is why they have to roll to hit. One needs to be able to show one is not electing a target, or that one is hitting automatically to not need a roll to hit.

ChrisCP wrote:To use a PSA one needs to elect a target unit as per the shooting sequence rules, this is why they have to roll to hit. One needs to be able to show one is not electing a target, or that one is hitting automatically to not need a roll to hit.

FAQ says JotWW needs to select a target. The first model the line touches needs to be selected and have LOS to.

When people thought JotWW didn't need to target a model or need LOS, it would have worked but no longer can you blindly drop lines so says the FaQ.