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Hi I would like to know if people thought this was too light on troops. On paper it certainly seems that way but I am thinking that my opponent's target priority is going to be aimed at more threatening things so I might be alright. Suggestions?

HQ 1 - 1 Haemonculus – Crucible of Malediction 20, Dark Gate 25 - 95 pts
HQ 2 – Baron Sathonyx – 105 pts
200 points
Troops 1 - 9 Wyches 90 (9 Haywire Grenades 18) in Raider 60 (Flickerfield 10, Grisly Trophies 5) – 183 pts
Troops 2 - 5 Kabalite Warriors (1 Blaster 15) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65 - 125pts
Troops 3 - 5 Kabalite Warriors (1 Blaster 15) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65 - 125pts
433 points
Elite 1 - 4 Kabalite Trueborn 48 (4 Blasters 60) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65– 173 pts
Elite 2 - 4 Kabalite Trueborn 48 (4 Blasters 60) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65– 173 pts
Elite 3 - 4 Kabalite Trueborn 48 (4 Blasters 60) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65– 173 pts
519 points
Heavy Support 1 – Ravager (Triple Dark Lances) - 115 points
Heavy Support 2 – Ravager (Triple Dark Lances) – 115 points
Heavy Support 3 – Ravager (Triple Dark Lances) – 115 points
345 points
1497 pts

I'm not a Dark Eldarer, but I am aware that Scourges are great with Great guns. Hint hint.

Man something i've been thinking about recently is a shooty dark eldar list and i was considering using the following.

Duke Sliscus with a Raider of Trueborn all with Splintercannon's and Shardcarbines.

The Duke is super awesome on paper.

Something like

Duke - 150
9 Trueborn 2 Splinter Canons 7 Shardcarbines in a Raider with Flicker Field - 233pts.

These guy put out 33 x 3+ Poison shots fired with BS4 so you score around 15 wounds on average which isn't bad at all

The Duke seems like a better HQ for bolstering a Shooty style dark eldar list. Especially as all your transports gain deep strike.

fluffywyvern wrote:HQ 1 - 1 Haemonculus – Crucible of Malediction 20, Dark Gate 25 - 95 pts

I'll guess this is going with your Wyches. Eh...
For 10 points less the Shattershard is probably vastly superior to the Dark Gate, and is certainly comparable range.

HQ 2 – Baron Sathonyx – 105 pts

So he's here to...help you go first and then...dork around, look silly, and die? Who is he going with? What's his purpose? 105 points is not worth +1 to one die roll. I'd actually probably drop the Wyches and Haemy and then take Beastmasters as your tie-up unit so at least Baron Sathy here would have a purpose. That, or drop the Baron and use the points better elsewhere. In any case, at 1500 you really shouldn't be dorking around with 2 HQs where one of them is functionally useless to you.

Troops 1 - 9 Wyches 90 (9 Haywire Grenades 18) in Raider 60 (Flickerfield 10, Grisly Trophies 5) – 183 pts

Haywire grenades? So you're using these as an alpha strike anti-vehicle unit? That changes my mind on them, I thought they were being a tarpit unit to lock down approaching threats in h2h before they get to the gunline, now...
I don't like this - if you're shooty be shooty, these guys and their Haem are eating up a lot of points and not doing that much for you. This squad is capable of beating up pretty much nothing but a tank gunline.

Troops 2 - 5 Kabalite Warriors (1 Blaster 15) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65 - 125pts
Troops 3 - 5 Kabalite Warriors (1 Blaster 15) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65 - 125pts

Fine with these, though I think you're running too few Troops.

Elite 1 - 4 Kabalite Trueborn 48 (4 Blasters 60) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65– 173 pts
Elite 2 - 4 Kabalite Trueborn 48 (4 Blasters 60) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65– 173 pts
Elite 3 - 4 Kabalite Trueborn 48 (4 Blasters 60) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65– 173 pts

Dropping 1 Trueborn off of each squad would net you a gain of over 80 points - which means you could bring another unit, which as a 1500 point DE gunline is pretty important.

Heavy Support 1 – Ravager (Triple Dark Lances) - 115 points
Heavy Support 2 – Ravager (Triple Dark Lances) – 115 points
Heavy Support 3 – Ravager (Triple Dark Lances) – 115 points

Ravalicious - though you might wish to clarify what defense upgrade you took. I'll presume FFs?

the basic question in my mind is one of strategy - I feel like you have a few units in this army that are there because you see other people talking about how they are good.
Wyches with Haywires.
Baron Sathy.
Haem with Crucible.

And the answer is, yes, they are good, but are they good for what you're doing? The answer is...I'm not sure. I actually feel like you're calling the list shooting while not actually trying to make it a gunline, and in fact it looks a little bit like a paired down alpha assault list with uncertain choices. If you want to be shooty you really need to revisit the goal of how you'll be shooty. DE can run a very effective gunline along the back edge build, and they can run a very effective midboard shooting build. You seem to be hedging towards midfield shooting - and with that as an idea you need more Troops in Venoms in this build. I think the Wyches are the sore thumb, as outside of fighting mech gunline I'm not sure what they're supposed to do to help your army. Also, as noted, solo Baron Sathy makes no sense. Those are the top two problem areas.

DrownedRat117 wrote:I'm not a Dark Eldarer, but I am aware that Scourges are great with Great guns. Hint hint.

I'm going to hope this guy is messing with you - even if he's serious I would advise you not to listen.

@ Thor thanks for the analysis, I have read your tactica article and perhaps got some kind.of weird hybrid between yours and dashes recommendations.
To answer your questions, yeah the.baron is taken for +1 to go first but is also cos he has S6 when I charge and a 2++ save which is a pretty good.deal for 105 points. However he does seem naked on his own. I will post an upted list as... for the wyches.....I.think I was going for a certain level of duality to them...so they could assault vehicles and generally be.annoying as tie up units....but also not get tied up back with dreadnougjts and warwalkers. I may take them out and make all my troops choices kabalite warriors.

i agree with thors adbice. Baron on his own is pointless, just a free KP offered up to the enemy. Even a 2++ is scarce protection against any volume fire and once its gone its gone. Put that shadow field in a unit and suddenly the enemy can only get at it in combat which is exactly where you want your baron...

Go shooty drop the Haemmie, Baron and Wyches and get more Warriors in Venoms. At 125 points that unit is a steal.

Personally I wouldn consider dropping the 4th Truevorn you need the extra S8 Ap2 shots in a shooty list and don't try to gunline the list. Turn 1 assaulting armies will rip you apart if you attempt that sort of build. Which is why I take the Duke as my HQ as he allows me to reserve the en tire army without restricting its effectiveness on the turn it arrives. A necessary boon in the turn 1 assault happy world of 5th Ed.

I think this has a better pure shooty feel to it:

HQ 1 – Duke Sliscus - 150

Troops 1 - 5 Kabalite Warriors 45 (1 Blaster 15) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65 - 125pts
Troops 2 - 5 Kabalite Warriors 45 (1 Blaster 15) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65 - 125pts
Troops 3 - 5 Kabalite Warriors 45 (1 Blaster 15) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65 - 125pts
Troops 4 - 5 Kabalite Warriors 45 in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65 - 110pts
485 points

Elite 1 - 4 Kabalite Trueborn 48 (4 Blasters 60) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65– 173 pts
Elite 2 - 4 Kabalite Trueborn 48 (4 Blasters 60) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65– 173 pts
Elite 3 - 4 Kabalite Trueborn 48 (4 Blasters 60) in Venom (Extra Splinter Cannon) 65– 173 pts
519 points

Heavy Support 1 – Ravager (Triple Dark Lances) - 115 points
Heavy Support 2 – Ravager (Triple Dark Lances) – 115 points
Heavy Support 3 – Ravager (Triple Dark Lances) – 115 points
345 points

1499pts

The maximum possible weapon output would be:

9 Dark Lances
84 Splinter Cannons
15 Blasters

That's a whole lotta Dark light!

The Duke would go in with a Trueborn unit and give it the upgraded poisoned weapons rule and everyone the deep strike special rule. Still not entirely sure about this HQ choice though.........

@fluffy - with no Wyches, and no poison weapons on the Trueborn unit you're placing him with, The Duke is being painfully wasted in that list - he's not worth it just for the DS option. Better to go with something cheaper so you can afford that extra blaster on the 4th Troop unit.

I agree with Thor. Duke is wasted in this list. You are not in my opinion planning on deep striking, you have no wyches (no combat drug reroll needed) and you have all baster units, so no ability to use the extra 3+. soo yes Duke is good in a half wyche/warrior built with true borne. He is bad in yours. I played with your list and if you take duke out, and add one hemi with a hex rifle. fun for shooty. causing a wound forces him to pass a wound test or be removed from play. This frees you up to add the blaster in the 4th warrior squad. With that you now stand with 79 extra pts to tailor it to your liking.