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Str4, AP3 weapon wounds a model with a 3+ armor save. Does the wounded model get FNP? FNP says it does not work if an armor save can NEVER be taken. A 2+ armor save would still work. Is the rule written on a model by model basis, or more oriented towards weapons?
Also, would fnp work after a failed cover save? I said no because a cover save isn't an armor save.

Oh god, not this one again. A quick search of the forum will give you the answer that FNP is only denied by wounds which allow no save AT ALL.

If a Terminator could take a save against it, then yes you get FNP.

Valkyrie wrote:Oh god, not this one again. A quick search of the forum will give you the answer that FNP is only denied by wounds which allow no save AT ALL.

If a Terminator could take a save against it, then yes you get FNP.

That or if the weapon is double the models base toughness, but if there firing ap 1 or 2 weps or weps that are str 8+ thats keeping them off your tanks so its all good I'd rather lose a few pms then lose a rhino or 2.

Don't know why people have such trouble with this. Quick list of what they mean by "no armor save" attacks:

Power weapons
Force weapons
MC attacks
Dreadnought ccw
Rending wounds
AP 1 and AP 2 shooting attacks
Dangerous Terrain wounds

And of course, attacks with a strength double your units toughness (which would cause instant death):

Toughness 3 = Strength 6+
T 4 = S 8+
T 5 = S 10

*And any other attack that would cause instant death (like special wargear or something)

Oh no where's my chart... *looks frantically*

Found it!

FNP vs AP - = Yes
FNP vs AP 6 = Yes
FNP vs AP 5 = Yes
FNP vs AP 4 = Yes
FNP vs AP 3 = Yes
FNP vs AP 2 = No
FNP vs AP 1 = No
FNP vs Tx2 = No
FNP vs Instant Death = No
FNP vs Strength (Destroyer) = No
FNP vs Power weapons/fists/klaws = No
FNP vs No retreat = Yes
FNP vs Gets Hot = Yes
FNP vs Perils of the warp = No
FNP vs Demon Weapon rolls of 1 = No
FNP vs Dangerous Terrain = No
FNP vs "do(es) not allow armor save(s) to be taken against" = No
FNP vs "ignore(s) armor saves" = No
FNP vs “with no armor save(s) allowed” = No
FNP vs “counts/treated as a power weapon” = No

Gandair, you're making it look far more complicated than it actually is...

FNP is negated by Instant Death, or by wounds against which no model is allowed an armour save.

That's really all there is to it.

thanks for your help guys.