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Ok, so this sounds like rubbish to me but I would like to get some other opinions on the matter.

The lumbering behmoth rule (IG codex, p48) states:

"A Leman Russ that has moved at combat speed or remained stationary can fire its turret weapon in addition to any other weapons it is normally allowed to fire..."

This is similar in wording to the "Power of the Machine Spirit" rule (BA codex, p37):

"The vehicle can fire one more weapon that would normally be permitted."

The PotMS rule states that it allows a single weapon to be fired in the event of shaken/stunned. It does state this specifically, but it does so after a "Therefore...", which implies that the previous wording suggests this interpretation.

So the question on hand is this: Can a leman russ still fire its turret gun if it is shaken/stunned and has moved at combat speed or less? My guess would be no but I have heard it argued the other way. If it does not allow this, then why is PotMS allowed to do so where behemoth is not?

Because Power of the Machine spirit is fluff about advanced computer A.I. that can target faster than humans can perceive. Lumbering behemoth is referring to the heaviness of the tank, meaning its heartiness and girth, allowing it to fire while at least partially on the move. I don't see how this can be a rules argument per se, as the two rules in question have no real, palpable connections. But no, leman russ tanks can't fire their turret while shaken or stunned. Its not in the lumbering behemoth rule.

Good cheese hunting though

"In addition to" suggests that you have to be able to fire the the first place.

The PotMS rule has "than would normally be permitted." It's a significant difference.

Well it would make some fluff sense. A vehicle that was as stable and massive as a leman russ may have some ability to keep firing under difficult conditions.

Anyway, I am definitely of the opinion that this is an incorrect interpretation but I believe it deserves a fair hearing. It is not immediately obvious which way is correct and the wording is a bit wooly.

I would love for that to work, but alas, it does not. But I still get to fire ordnance weapons like there is no tomorrow, so there's that!

-cgmckenzie

Don't stray too far from your codex.

Looks like you have a bad case of Codexitus. It's like Editionitus, where you merge two editions into one. Codexitus is where you merge two codexes into one.

Main Rule Book, your army codex, and the main FAQ and army FAQ. Those are the only items you should be looking at for your rules. When you start looking into other codexes to interpret your rules you will always run into problems.

Shaken and stunned means your big gun can't shoot. Sorry.

**And yes, I spell it "codexes" because I don't care for Latin. It's boring and it's dead.**

Trickstick wrote:Well it would make some fluff sense. A vehicle that was as stable and massive as a leman russ may have some ability to keep firing under difficult conditions.

Anyway, I am definitely of the opinion that this is an incorrect interpretation but I believe it deserves a fair hearing. It is not immediately obvious which way is correct and the wording is a bit wooly.

There's nothing to discuss though.

Potms lets you fire 1 more weapon than normal. Shaken or stunned takes your weapons to 0, 1 more than zero is 1, so you can fire 1 weapon.

Behemoth lets you fire your weapons when moving or standing still, even if one is ordinance. It makes no mention of shaken or stunned at all, so you can't fire if either of these things happen.