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So me and Odins Beard just recently finished another slew of training and had some more down time. In that time we where talking about some differant conversion ideas we'd like to see for various armies just to give them some more character and one of the ideas we had is for a Dwarven gas mask for an Ironbreaker champion, the idea being that in their frequent wars with the Skaven the Dwarves would have developed gas masks to protect themselves from poison gas. And so in coming up with the idea of this we where trying to figure out how we could take a gas mask and 1 not only make it look dwarvish in appearance and 2 would look practical.

For anyone who dosen't know just about every gas mask works by having a chemical covered filter that absorbs chemicals from the air while letting oxygen pass through. Gas masks can be made to handle multiple types of threats (chemical vs particulates for example) or can protect against just one type of threat. What we decided was instead of having filters the gas mask "canisters" have runes carved onto them which magically filter the air (this would also help protect from the magical nature of the warpstone gas used by the skaven).

But there is also a problem in that gas masks have to be air tight fit to the face to prevent the breathing of unfiltered air. Dwarven beards pose a problem for this as their facial hair prevents any mask from getting a tight lock between the skin and the mask itself (one of the reasons soldiers aren't allowed to have facial hair). So this leads me to my questions.

1. Does anyone have any ideas as to how we could design a gas mask/helmet that would work with a beard?

2. Does anyone have any ideas on how we can design the gas mask/helmet to fit with the Dwarven aesthetic? We've got the basic idea that the mask is attached to a normal helmet with the eye peices being like those used by Dwarven engineers or Gyrocopter pilots. The main issue we're having is with the nose/mouth region and how we could attach the filters to the mask and have it still look dwarven/vikingish.

If you look on pg 80 of the dwarf codex you will see an Engineer Conversion that uses a guy with a full mask I believe from the Flame Cannon Kit. Since this is to keep with the "fluff" you cannot use inferior materials such as wood and possibly even leather so that would cancel out the Skaven Globadier style mask. If you are going to do it I would cover the nose and mouth and green stuff the beard around it to make it look like the beard is being compressed by whatever you chose to use as a mask.

Rackham had these (now OOP but sometimes on ebay):
http://rackhamminiatures.yolasite.com/dwarfs---tir-na-bor-a---j.php
http://rackhamminiatures.yolasite.com/dwarfs---tir-na-bor-k---z.php

Man, I forget how loony Rackham got sometimes.

I wouldn't worry too much about making sure it's 100% airtight. In a game of Fantasy and magic poisoned gas, aesthetics (or the rule of cool) will probably see you through a fair amount of details.

Well any ideas on how to make it fit the Dwarf aesthetic?

I'd go with an iron/bronze mask (similar to the engineer from the cannon/organ gun set) with a leather "beard bag" maybe? You could even protect the bag from puncture with a chain mail sheath, keeping things very metal-y...

Hargus56 wrote:If you look on pg 80 of the dwarf codex you will see an Engineer Conversion that uses a guy with a full mask I believe from the Flame Cannon Kit. Since this is to keep with the "fluff" you cannot use inferior materials such as wood and possibly even leather so that would cancel out the Skaven Globadier style mask.

I'm not sure where you're getting that the dwarves see leather as an "inferior" material as Dwarves use leather for alot of things in the various BL novels. And they even use wood quiet a bit for that matter they just prefer to make most things out of stone and metal though I don't know anyone who would make a gas mask/helmet out of wood.

Red_Zeke wrote:I'd go with an iron/bronze mask (similar to the engineer from the cannon/organ gun set) with a leather "beard bag" maybe? You could even protect the bag from puncture with a chain mail sheath, keeping things very metal-y...

This is more along the lines of what we're thinking in terms of the metal mask. We where discussing it a bit more today and where thinking that instead of having it be an air tight mask with a filter
just have it be like a mask/face plate for a helmet with runes set into it that purifies the air in a given area around the user. So the runes (Rune of Purification) create kind of a magical bubble that filters any air that's breathed in by the wearer.

We still want the "filter" tank(s) to be on the mask though and I've had the idea of having just one tank but somehow carve it to look like the mask (which will loo like a face) is smoking a pipe and the "filter" will be the bowl of the pipe.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:

Hargus56 wrote:If you look on pg 80 of the dwarf codex you will see an Engineer Conversion that uses a guy with a full mask I believe from the Flame Cannon Kit. Since this is to keep with the "fluff" you cannot use inferior materials such as wood and possibly even leather so that would cancel out the Skaven Globadier style mask.

I'm not sure where you're getting that the dwarves see leather as an "inferior" material as Dwarves use leather for alot of things in the various BL novels. And they even use wood quiet a bit for that matter they just prefer to make most things out of stone and metal though I don't know anyone who would make a gas mask/helmet out of wood.

I know it is written somewhere in the book either that or I read it in the fluff on one of the websites, that they prefer metal over wood and rarely use anything but metals in the things they craft. There possessions are passed down through generations and leather and wood would just not hold up. I flipped through the book but am at work so I don't have the time to devote to looking over it.

Also here is a small thread on Bugmans in regard to the wood debate: http://www.bugmansbrewery.com/topic/34186-greenskins-fungus-or-humanoid/page__st__20

There is no wood debate.

The dwarf codex says that they prefer to use stone and metal over wood. It says absolutly nothing about the Dwarves not using wood at all. There are multiple Black Library novels and examples in the codex which detail the dwarves using wood for a number of things.

And I don't even know why you mentioned wood in the first place because as I said no one would make a gas mask from wood wether it was fluff or not and to boot I never said that the mask would be made of wood. The skaven masks aren't even made of wood.

Ok never mind, try and help someone posting a message for help and I get a mouthful of crap. Your welcome. Next time someone who takes times out of their day to post a message to try and help you don't like or agree with then ignore it. Lets ignore the 30 minutes or so I spent going through google images and forgeworld crap to try and help you. There isn't room in the game for douchbaggery like this please stop playing.

BTW it's an army book not a codex. It's obvious you are from the 40k boards, here on the fantasy boards we tend to help each other out and treat it as a game not life or death.

for fluff purposes, an airtight leather Beardbag sounds good. then you can cover it with metal scales or chainmail for protecting the beardbag from puncture.

Hargus56 wrote:Ok never mind, try and help someone posting a message for help and I get a mouthful of crap.

oh you're one of those types aren't you? You don't like that what you said was wrong and since I told you that you're going to come back with a "oh poor me I was just trying to help but your so horrible telling me I was wrong".

Your welcome.

For what? For saying that Dwarves woulden't make a gas mask out of leather or wood because it's an "inferiror" material when no one even mentioned making it out of wood and when dwarves do in fact use both wood and leather quiet often? Yes I will thank you for making a comment that's 1 wrong and 2 wasen't even brought up in the first place.

Next time someone who takes times out of their day to post a message to try and help you don't like or agree with then ignore it.

seriously? The comment you made that Dwarves woulden't make a gas mask out of leather or wood (which only an idiot would do) is wrong plain and simple. All I did is tell you that, it had nothing to do with if I "liked" what you posted or if I agreed with it. A mature person will take the correction given to them and go from there, not make a statement like "oh I tried to help". But ya know what you will be ignored from now on so thanks for the suggestion

Lets ignore the 30 minutes or so I spent going through google images and forgeworld crap to try and help you.

Yes let's ignore it because 1 I didn't make you look anything up and 2 what you looked up in the interest of the thread has nothing to do with the fact that the Dwarves could in fact make a gas mask out of leather or wood (though only an idiot would make one out of wood) and saying otherwise is wrong.

There isn't room in the game for douchbaggery like this please stop playing.

Hmmm so me making a conversion that is inspired by fluff in a game where people can convert just about anything they want is corrupting the game. Yup makes sense

BTW it's an army book not a codex.

BTW IDC, see I can do it too

It's obvious you are from the 40k boards, here on the fantasy boards we tend to help each other out and treat it as a game not life or death.

It's a game yet you are so anal about it that you have to make the distinction between army book and codex.

And since you it's so "obvious" that I'm from the 40k forums I will bow down to your intimate knowledge of my own actions and history. Oh wait, I've played 40k and WFB equally for 13 years as well as post equally on both forums since I joined, sorry no bowing today. And I'd like for you to tell me how it is you've helped me in any way by posting something that's false? You said the dwarves woulden't use a certain substance in building the mask when the fluff supports that if they wanted to they could. I told you that you are wrong and corrected you, I didn't get fanatical about it I didn't start trying to insult you like you have me I told you that you where wrong and you got butt hurt about it.

If being told that you're wrong is too much for you to handle and is going to cause you to go on some pitty me tyrade then it's obvious you aren't mature enough for this site and it is my suggestion that you quit wasting peoples time by posting here.

Ok my bad, I thought about and should not have posted back. Good luck on your gas mask hope it works well.

Grey Templar wrote:for fluff purposes, an airtight leather Beardbag sounds good. then you can cover it with metal scales or chainmail for protecting the beardbag from puncture.

I can't help but laugh when I read Beardbag I think we're gonna go with the "purification bubble" idea though. Got any ideas on the design of the mask though? like how to make the "filters" fit with the face mask?

Oh and thanks Kroothawk for the pics we're using them as inspiration


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Hargus56 wrote:Ok my bad, I thought about and should not have posted back. Good luck on your gas mask hope it works well.

Thank you I'm sure it will

for filters I would take a normal Dwarven mask and have the filters be over the normal holes in the mask.


maybe have it look something like this with the filters over the mouth slit and have glass eye lenses(dwarves have glass don't they?)

That helmet design dosen't really fit the aesthetic of the dwarves ya know? And yes they have glass they're the greatest craftsmen in WFB of course they have glass.

I've got a concept I'm working on, I'll post it soon for some feedback.

I was refering more to the slits in the helmet and not the actual astetics.