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So while waiting for Necrons to come out I think I'm gonna make a fun to paint and play chaos army. I already have a 4000+ point of Nurgle marines and I really like playing armies of just one God.. just seems more fluffy to me, lol.
So here goes.

HQ

Deamon Prince(ss) - 110
wings - 20
Slaanesh mark - 5
Lash - 20
- 155

Deamon Prince(ss) - 110
wings - 20
Slaanesh mark - 5
Lash - 20
- 155

Troops

Chaos Space Marines X10 - 150
champion - 15
power weapon - 15
Slaanesh Icon - 20
Melta X2 - 20
Rhino -35
Pintle mounted bolter - 5
- 260

Chaos Space Marines X10 - 150
champion - 15
power weapon - 15
Slaanesh Icon - 20
Melta X2 - 20
Rhino -35
Pintle mounted bolter - 5
- 260

Chaos Space Marines X10 - 150
champion - 15
power weapon - 15
Slaanesh Icon - 20
Melta X2 - 20
Rhino -35
Pintle mounted bolter - 5
- 260

Heavy

Obliterators X2 -150

Obliterators X2 -150

Deamons

Greater Deamon -100

Lesser Deamon x20 -260

(Or should I put them in two groups of 10?)

Do you guys think I would have an issue with grabbing objectives with the 3 troops? This is when I really wish chaos had some cultists for some cheap troops, lol.

I almost wanted to go with the noise marines.. but I just can't figure out if they are worth it or not.. hard to pass up meltas...

Let me know what you think, I've already bought one of my Deamon Princes from Bane legions. She should be a nice centerpiece for the army.

I know the idea of using all same god is fun all that, but don't take CSM with any icon than IoCG as the cult troops are just better... Take two units of Noise Marines and two CSM with IoCG.

Ditch 10 Lesser Daemons

And I wouldn't take DP's at 2000pts, they die too fast. Take Sorcerors instead...

Also, don't post induvidual point costs (For the wargear, just have you CSM unit listed as 220 points, and then list with wargear without point costs)
I quite like this list, but think it can be improved.
Your Daemon Princes are great, if you find they just die every game without doing anything, do what Plusxtheduck suggested and take Sorcerers instead.
I also agree with his statement about CSM with Icons, Noise Marines would probably perform much better here, all they lack is the Melta.
The CSM can still work how you have them set up, but its 260 points for the squad with Transport, and 15 points from one of those squads when the Greater Daemon comes on via the PW champion. The other problem i see with the cost, is that you have 20 points in a combat upgrade in the Icon, and 20 points upgraded in a tank hunting weapon (Ok, they do compliment each other to an extent, but it just all adds up).
I would take two, or maybe even three squads of Lesser Daemons (although if you do that, you would probably want to add a few and have squads of 7-8), one big squad just seems like overkill/wastage for me.
Hope that helps.

Thanks Rodgers, that does help a lot.
I'll look into changing some of those into noise marines.

What do you think the best setup for the noise marines are? Should I replace all their weapons with the sonic blasters or just use the long range weapons in the group? I've never played with noise marines before so I guess I'm at a disadvantage of not knowing how to use them. Maybe smaller units of noise marines?

Edited for horrible grammar.

I'd take them with all Sonic Blasters in rhino in squads of 6 (slaanesh's lucky number)

Take a powerfist with one of the CSM champs, give the other nothing...

Pluxtheduck wrote:I'd take them with all Sonic Blasters in rhino in squads of 6 (slaanesh's lucky number)

Take a powerfist with one of the CSM champs, give the other nothing...

Another version, what do you guys think?


HQ

Deamon Prince(ss)
wings
Slaanesh mark
Lash
- 155

Deamon Prince(ss)
wings
Slaanesh mark
Lash
- 155

Troops

Chaos Space Marines X10
champion
IoCG
Melta X2
Rhino
Pintle mounted bolter
- 245

Chaos Space Marines X10
champion
IoCG
Melta X2
Rhino
Pintle mounted bolter
- 235

Noise Marines X6
6 sonic blasters
Rhino
Havoc launcher
- 200

Noise Marines X6
6 sonic blasters
Rhino
Havoc launcher
- 200

Heavy

Obliterators X2 -150

Obliterators X2 -150

Deamons

Greater Deamon -100

Lesser Deamon x6 -78

Lesser Deamon x6 -78

- 1746

I'd get rid off the daemon princes for sorcerors if you want them to survive... trust me!

I would.. but I love deamon princes. I may be at a disadvantage, but I think I'd rather stick with them.

Just for curiosity, if I DID take sorcerers, would you put them in the rhinos with the noise marines?

Personally I think sonic blasters are such a waste. For 26 points a grey knight gets the same # of attacks at initiative 6 with a power weapon, as well as the stormbolter, plus other abilities.

I'd just buy them a doomsiren for their champion and call it a day.

Spellbound wrote:Personally I think sonic blasters are such a waste. For 26 points a grey knight gets the same # of attacks at initiative 6 with a power weapon, as well as the stormbolter, plus other abilities.

At that point though I would just take more normal marines with more meltas or the 6 NMs with a Blastmaster.

P.S. - I already bought some awesome models for count as for the daemon princes.. so that's partially why I'm so adamant about keeping them, too.

http://banelegions.maelstromgames.co.uk/?tag=bnb-010 and http://www.ultraforgeminiatures.com/?page_id=51 (***Neither are very safe for work***)

Gotta get some wings for the first or figure out a way to make her look floating/flying.


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How about 6 NM, 1 with a SB and 1 with BM, allowing me to move 6 with the rhino and fire 2 weapon from the squad and the bolter and havoc launcher. Just an idea.

No, take the blasters, they are good for anti-infantry - blastmaster is too expensive...

I have had amazing results with these...

Hmmmmm, I shall have to ponder.

What would be your tactics and your paint job? Just interested...

The original idea was to make a MC/Daemon bomb army with the rhinos and icons moving up the board and releasing the daemons toward the gun lines and getting meltas in to do their job. (I play against a lot of IG tank/gun lines.)
The other army I play against a lot is Orks.. where the NM weapons would come in handy.

My paint scheme atm is going to be flesh tones ans royal purples and black for some details. I've got some of the chaos marines in robes that are going to be a velvet feel purple. With some mandatory pink highlights of course.

Very Nice... My slaanesh still uses the old magenta ink from years ago and so is really pink with silver details.

I use two units of raptors in my armies with sorcerors in DS with 3 units of Noise Marines and 2 units of CSM all in rhinos and some havocs and chosen (with meltas) for heavy support...

I'm thinking about putting everything in reserve that can deepstrike.. just to make it fun.
That would leave me with 4 rhinos on the board to start with two DPs, 4 Obliterators, greater daeamon and 12 lesser daemons to pop out.

I'm worried a little bit about the size of my daemon princes though. They are awesome models, but with true line of sight..

Also i'm not real sure what do use for my greater daemon.. I guess just the default keeper of secrets from GW.

You could use the FW one?

Pluxtheduck wrote:You could use the FW one?

Isn't it like 130 bucks? Just seems expensive.. the model I'm using for my first DP is bigger and more detailed and half the price : P
I WAS looking at it though..

I'm gonna see what I can trade for, gonna put some of my SW army up for trade to see if I can get some Noise marines, daemonettes, and keeper of secrets (oh and rhinos, gotta have the rhinos)

Swara wrote:

Pluxtheduck wrote:You could use the FW one?

Isn't it like 130 bucks? Just seems expensive.. the model I'm using for my first DP is bigger and more detailed and half the price : P
I WAS looking at it though..

I'm gonna see what I can trade for, gonna put some of my SW army up for trade to see if I can get some Noise marines, daemonettes, and keeper of secrets (oh and rhinos, gotta have the rhinos)

The FW one might be too big as well. I liked that ultraforge one you posted...
As for your second list, i like it. I wouldn't do anything to that for now, if it doesn't work well enough you can make changes in the future, but i reckon you've got a pretty solid list there.

Thanks, I just put up some stuff for trade so I can hopefully finish it out here soon. I think it'll be at least a real fun list to play, which is all that matters to me.

Thanks again for all the help guys.

I'm probably gonna be in the minority here, but here it goes...

DP's vs. Sorcerer's is an old & tired debate. DP's are Fearless, Eternal Warrior & just generally more survivable than Sorc's. If you find you're having trouble keeping them alive, then use COVER. It's everywhere in 5th edition. Lash has a long enough range that by the 2nd turn you'll probably have something to use it on. If not, stay in COVER. Lash is a support power, not directly offensive, so lash units closer to your other units & keep that DP in cover or out of LoS of anything nasty. It just takes one krak missile, meltagun, lascannon, etc. to kill a standard Sorc. After that it comes down to what you like better, but point for point you will always get better mileage out of a DP than a Sorc.

You're wasting your time w/ any of the summoned Daemons. It will cost you no less than 130 pts to put a GD on the field & when you do, you kill a model. Pretty much any other MC in the game will outclass them (especially the real daemons from the Chaos Daemons codex..) & they don't give you anything you can't find elsewhere in the army. LD's only saving grace is that they can assault the turn they arrive, then they die. Maybe they killed a unit (would have to be a small one) but probably not, either way, they're dead. For the cost of those two LD units you can have 2 more Oblits w/ 6 pts left over.

Your troops look good, but I would have power fists on your CSM champs. Also, you'll find the havoc launchers aren't really all that fantastic. Save 5 pts & put combi-meltas on them instead. If you're going to spend extra pts on a Rhino, @ least give it a weapon you can threaten vehicles with. Nobody worries about havoc launchers; they will worry about melta's. If you're going to run NM's, I would probably just stick w/ bolters. Once you start giving them sonic blasters/blastmasters, they become the most expensive troop units we can put on the field & w/ nothing to show for it but I5, Fearless & Storm Bolters. They look good in the book, but by & large they should be in a Rhino most of the time anyway. The Doom Siren is pretty solid, definitely give the Champ one of these bad boys.

~Vryce

I like the second list better. Question though, do you plan on moving your NM Rhinos? I'm guessing so, in which case I'd ditch the Havoc launchers. I've run a unit of to NM with a Blast Master in a rhino w/ Havoc launcher before to camp on an objective, which was fun but not really worth it. I feel like NM's coolest toy is hands sown the Doom Siren. A S5 AP3 template is hard to pass up. I'd say switch the squads to incorporate a DS. Other than that I like it. Not a big fan of Daemons but you seem to like them so I'll bite my tongue.

I think my general idea was to have the NMs camping objectives using havoc launcher + SBs out the window.. though my other idea was to take a squad of 6 and have 1 SB and one BM and the others bolters.. so the Rhino could move 6" and get 4 shooting attacks at mid range or sit still and get 2 long range attacks. If this doesn't make any since let me know, lol.

If I took 4 SB away I'd gain an extra 20 points but have to spend another 35 points on a BM, so for the two groups I would need to free up 30 extra points from my list. I've been told that the BM isn't real great for the points cost, but the more I look at it the more I like it.

So tactic wise.. would have 2 NM squads as obj holders/mid range support and 2 normal squads as front line squads trying to take care of vehicles gun lines with the deamons being support as they advance or even while they are in combat.

I fight a lot of mech IG so the Obliterators are their for the standard shake and bake.. using the icons to come down safely if they can get into a good position by doing so. The daemon princes would either stay in cover and take advantage of lash and their speed with wings to take out support units or be reserved to drop in later and run some
important guys through some dangerous terrain. (We play with about 50% terrain coverage)

Thanks for all the advice though guys, really makes me think about my list. Let me know what you think about having the SB and BM in a support Rhino.

Vryce wrote:

You're wasting your time w/ any of the summoned Daemons. It will cost you no less than 130 pts to put a GD on the field & when you do, you kill a model. Pretty much any other MC in the game will outclass them (especially the real daemons from the Chaos Daemons codex..) & they don't give you anything you can't find elsewhere in the army. LD's only saving grace is that they can assault the turn they arrive, then they die. Maybe they killed a unit (would have to be a small one) but probably not, either way, they're dead. For the cost of those two LD units you can have 2 more Oblits w/ 6 pts left over.

Sorry, but thats just completely wrong.
In my game last Thursday, my Greater Daemon effectivly won me the draw, if he had just killed 1 man/small squad, i would have lost, but he killed an Emperors Champ, and a few Marines from a Crusader squad, which my Plagues couldn't do in combat. There is a fairly good chance, especially against CC armies, your Greater (and Lesser) daemons will get to assault on the tern they arrive. And they do kill things, to say otherwise is silly. And also your costing, its actually only an extra 15 points to put the GD on the table really, because your probably already taking enough members in the squad to sacrifice one, so its only the 15 point A.C upgrade. I don't know how much you have used GD or LD, but when i used to play Chaos, and the one time i have used one since re-starting Chaos, they work really well.

Another version.. Just messing around atm.. pondering..


HQ

Deamon Prince(ss)
wings
Slaanesh mark
Lash
- 155

Deamon Prince(ss)
wings
Slaanesh mark
Lash
- 155

Troops

Chaos Space Marines X10
champion
IoS
Melta X2
Rhino
Pintle mounted combi melta
- 250

Chaos Space Marines X10
Champion
Power Fist
IoS
Melta X2
Rhino
Pintle mounted combi melta
- 275

Noise Marines X6
1 sonic blaster
1 Blastermaster
Rhino
Havoc launcher
- 215

Noise Marines X6
1 Sonic Blaster
1 Blastermaster
Rhino
Havoc launcher
- 215

Heavy

Obliterators X2 -150

Obliterators X2 -150

Deamons

Greater Deamon -100

Lesser Deamon x6 -78

- 1743

What I like about this list also is the amount of pinning. (and the fact that I wouldn't have to make my own SBs.. )