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The beggining of the assault phase is in Figure A. My troops are in blue. The Enemy unit (Red) have three models to the right in cover. Obviously my model number 1 has to assault the nearest enemy model, no issues there.

Next look at Figure B. This is how I want to assault. Note that my model number 2 is the only one within six inches of opponent model B

My opponent argues that I have to assault like in Figure C because this allows for the most models to be in base to base contact. I don't want this because I need to role a 6 for the difficult terrain test.

My argument is that I can assault like in B because the rule specifically states that I can move additional models in any order I want as long as I follow all of the bulleted rules.

My opponent says that I have to get as many models in Base to Base as possible and that this dictates my choice of assaulting models and their movement. That is in the paragraph above the bulleted rules on the same page.

Who is right?

Thanks in advance!

aggie0642 wrote:The beggining of the assault phase is in Figure A. My troops are in blue. The Enemy units (Red) have three troops to the right in cover. Obviously my unit number 1 has to assault the nearest enemy unit, no issues there.

I think you mean 'nearest enemy model in the unit you're assaulting' because no, you don't have to assault the nearest enemy unit. You could assault B solely, if you wanted to.

aggie0642 wrote:Next look at Figure B. This is how I want to assault. Note that my unit number 2 is the only one within six inches of opponent unit B

My opponent argues that I have to assault like in Figure C because this allows for the most units to be in base to base contact. I don't want this because I need to role a 6 for the difficult terrain test.

My argument is that I can assault like in B because the rule specifically states that I can move additional units in any order I want as long as I follow all of the bulleted rules.

My opponent says that I have to get as many units in Base to Base as possible and that this dictates my choice of assault units. That is in the paragraph above the bulleted rules on the same page.

Who is right?

Thanks in advance!

Your opponent is wrong. If you declare assault against unit A in your picture, that is the only unit you must assault. You can assault Unit B if you choose to, but there is nothing stating you must. In fact, quite the contrary: "This means that assaulting models may still not move through friendly or enemy models, may not pass through gaps narrower than their base, and may not move into base contact with enemy models from a unit they are not assaulting.' - pg. 34, under Move Assaulting Models. So, you are strictly prohibited from basing Unit B, unless you perform a multi-assault. If you do that, you are free to move your models as you see fit. At no time must you multi-assault.

Figure A: Correct, the closest one model(1) must move into B2B with the closest enemy.

Figure B: As you can move in any sequence you choose, this is valid. Model 3 would have to try to move into B2B with one of the back models, though (must try to move into B2B that isn't already in B2B with and enemy).

Figure C: This is also a valid choice, but forces you to roll for difficult terrain.


So I guess the answer is that both B and C are valid movement choices. Since you can move models in any sequence you choose (outside of the first model) it's your call which route you go.

Nungunz wrote:Figure A: Correct, the closest one model(1) must move into B2B with the closest enemy.

Figure B: As you can move in any sequence you choose, this is valid. Model 3 would have to try to move into B2B with one of the back models, though (must try to move into B2B that isn't already in B2B with and enemy).

Figure C: This is also a valid choice, but forces you to roll for difficult terrain.


So I guess the answer is that both B and C are valid movement choices. Since you can move models in any sequence you choose (outside of the first model) it's your call which route you go.

He's not asking if he can do it, he's asking if he must do it.

Sorry this is only one of my units assaulting a single enemy unit. I used unit 1, 2, 3 when I meant model 1, 2, 3 in my original post.

I corrected the original post. Still I think the argument is the same. Must I be forced to take the difficult terrain test or not?

No, you are not forced to take the test in the case you cited above.

Since model number 2 is the only one within six inches of opponent model B you can legally move number 2 there. and since this leave everyone else (I am assuming, because all of your other models look to be further away than model #2) out of range to get into B2B you just need to keep them in coherency, and you are not forced into cover.

You have to move the closest first by the shortest route, then you move any of your assaulting models into B2B with any model in their unit that it can legally reach.

aggie0642 wrote: Must I be forced to take the difficult terrain test or not?

No. Our answers above outline why.

If you can make btb with a model in terrain, you ARE forced to take the test.

However clever ordering of movement (moving back models first, for example) can mean you cannot make btb with a model in terrain any longer, meaning no forced test.

nosferatu1001 wrote:If you can make btb with a model in terrain, you ARE forced to take the test.

Not with an entirely separate unit. That's what's going on in his picture. There is a unit outside of terrain and there is a unit inside of terrain. He just wants to assault Unit A, which is outside of terrain. He wants to avoid assaulting Unit B, so he doesn't have to take a terrain test. His opponent was telling him that he had to assault both, since he could base an unengaged model.

This is not the case. At no time must he assault Unit B if he has declared the assault against Unit A. If he would like to multi-assault then, yes, he must test. But if he is just attacking Unit A, then no, he does not.

puma713 wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:If you can make btb with a model in terrain, you ARE forced to take the test.

Not with an entirely separate unit. That's what's going on in his picture. There is a unit outside of terrain and there is a unit inside of terrain. He just wants to assault Unit A, which is outside of terrain. He wants to avoid assaulting Unit B, so he doesn't have to take a terrain test. His opponent was telling him that he had to assault both, since he could base an unengaged model.

This is not the case. At no time must he assault Unit B if he has declared the assault against Unit A. If he would like to multi-assault then, yes, he must test. But if he is just attacking Unit A, then no, he does not.

He corrected his original post;

aggie0642 wrote:Sorry this is only one of my units assaulting a single enemy unit. I used unit 1, 2, 3 when I meant model 1, 2, 3 in my original post.

I corrected the original post. Still I think the argument is the same. Must I be forced to take the difficult terrain test or not?

In this case, if he has to move a model into the terrain to assault model 'B' then he would have to take a dangerous terrain test.
He still has to get a model in the assaulting unit into base to base contact with an enemy model not already in base contact with a model from the assaulting unit if possible.
As has been noted, since after the first model you can move the models in the assaulting unit in any order, and since you cannot move through friendly models, a bit of forethought in moving the assaulting models should be able to keep the models in the assaulting unit from having to get into base contact with model 'B'.

time wizard wrote:
He corrected his original post;

aggie0642 wrote:Sorry this is only one of my units assaulting a single enemy unit. I used unit 1, 2, 3 when I meant model 1, 2, 3 in my original post.

I corrected the original post. Still I think the argument is the same. Must I be forced to take the difficult terrain test or not?

In this case, if he has to move a model into the terrain to assault model 'B' then he would have to take a dangerous terrain test.
He still has to get a model in the assaulting unit into base to base contact with an enemy model not already in base contact with a model from the assaulting unit if possible.
As has been noted, since after the first model you can move the models in the assaulting unit in any order, and since you cannot move through friendly models, a bit of forethought in moving the assaulting models should be able to keep the models in the assaulting unit from having to get into base contact with model 'B'.

Ah. Well then, +1 to this post.