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Don't have the codex with me, but in the BA codex the "Astroth the Grim" character makes you reroll successful invuls. A GK Perfect warrior can reroll saves.

So if the Astroth and crowe where in battle, and crowe decided to use blade shield, would you

A. Roll the dice, and then reroll no matter the result taking the second roll
B. Roll the dice once and take it, knowing that a reroll has the same chance..

Thoughts? Am I missing something that makes it so that rerolling is a must?

invisiblade wrote:Don't have the codex with me, but in the BA codex the "Astroth the Grim" character makes you reroll successful invuls. A GK Perfect warrior can reroll saves.

So if the Astroth and crowe where in battle, and crowe decided to use blade shield, would you

A. Roll the dice, and then reroll no matter the result taking the second roll
B. Roll the dice once and take it, knowing that a reroll has the same chance..

Thoughts? Am I missing something that makes it so that rerolling is a must?

Statistically these are the same, but many players (myself included) play A. Mostly it's a matter of balancing out some of the hideously skewed "first-roll" luck a couple of our players have.

They are both identical options, so pick whichever makes sense. Its been the same since 5th edition started with nullzone and fortune (and perils..)

Like Nos said, there are other examples of this, such as Fateweaver and Null Zone, so you can either roll all saves, then re-roll them regardless of their result, or you can just agree that the results cancel each other out and roll once, which would save a bit of time.

Best to talk to your opponent about it before rolling any saves, just so everyone is on the same page.

Rolling once saves time and produces the same result.

I'm gonna go with option A.

Why wouldn't you roll all of the saves you're required to take, then Astorath makes you reroll the successful ones and Crowe rerolls the failed saves?

For example:

5 Wounds, roll saves: 3 succeed, 2 fail.
Astorath makes you reroll the 3,
Crowe rerolls the 2.
Use the results. Both rules have applied and no re-rolling rerolls has occured. If you were to succeed on all of them the first roll, Crowe's ability wouldn't apply and vice versa.

Angelic wrote:Why wouldn't you roll all of the saves you're required to take, then Astorath makes you reroll the successful ones and Crowe rerolls the failed saves?

For example:

5 Wounds, roll saves: 3 succeed, 2 fail.
Astorath makes you reroll the 3,
Crowe rerolls the 2.
Use the results. Both rules have applied and no re-rolling rerolls has occured. If you were to succeed on all of them the first roll, Crowe's ability wouldn't apply and vice versa.

... and the end result of this is that you roll N dice, pick them up without taking any results and reroll them. Mathematically, this is the same as just accepting the first roll. Those who believe in voodoo will roll all dice twice, ignoring the first set of results.

Homer

Homer S wrote:

Angelic wrote:Why wouldn't you roll all of the saves you're required to take, then Astorath makes you reroll the successful ones and Crowe rerolls the failed saves?

For example:

5 Wounds, roll saves: 3 succeed, 2 fail.
Astorath makes you reroll the 3,
Crowe rerolls the 2.
Use the results. Both rules have applied and no re-rolling rerolls has occured. If you were to succeed on all of them the first roll, Crowe's ability wouldn't apply and vice versa.

... and the end result of this is that you roll N dice, pick them up without taking any results and reroll them. Mathematically, this is the same as just accepting the first roll. Those who believe in voodoo will roll all dice twice, ignoring the first set of results.

Homer

Wait, there are gamers who don't believe in voodoo?
I should have read more carefully. I misunderstood what the OP was saying. But as an aside to option b, if all we did was rely on statistics, then why have dice?

I may be wrong but i was reading the other day and i believe blade shield only affects armor saves, which are different from invun saves. please correct me if I'm wrong because a lonewolf punked Crowe like a 2 dollar whore....

Lennysfury wrote:I may be wrong but i was reading the other day and i believe blade shield only affects armor saves,

You're wrong.

Where did you read this? The GK codex is very clear that it is all saves.