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I thought this was cut and dry, but my opponent wasn't sure, so we diced off for it.

If a Rifleman Dread with Psybolt ammo shoots autocannons at a monoloth, is it resolved at S7 or S8? I thought it would be S7, because the monolith's rule states "unaugmented strength", which to me seems clear that psybolt ammo augments the strength of the autocannon to 8.

Or am I wrong about this?

I get what youre saying - but if it DOES get the strength bonus, then whats the point of the codex referring to "unaugmented strength"?

My head hurts :(

Does anyone have the specific wording of Psybolt ammo handy? If it's anything like "the weapon's strength is increased by 1 for the duration of the game", then thats an augmentation isnt it?

It's not quite the same as Tank Hunter - tank hunter doesnt modify your strength, just your armour penetration roll - Psybolt ammo specifically modifies strength.

Like I said, my head hurts....

That just seems to me to be an augmentation. Any other ideas?

I don't have my codex to hand, but there is a sentence in living metal along the lines of "Typically, a weapon firing against a monolith will always fire using its unaugmented strength."

Or something like that, I can't remember. Remember as well, that there was a stealth re-print of the necron codex, so we could be singing from completely different hymn sheets.

Normally i'm quite tolerant of hearing the other side of the argument, but the more I read this thread, the more cheesed off I get that some players just choose to ignore what they can read. This isnt a dig at the Power Fist Debate btw, just my original question.

I've re-read my codex and i'm quite happy that augmentation is mentioned. Now you can say whatever you like about it changing the str before or after the game, but the fact is you are shooting an autocannon that is NOT the same as a standard autocannon. Therefore I firmly believe that you shouldn't get the +1 S against the monolith.

If you google "define augmentation", this is the first hit:

1. The action or process of making or becoming greater in size or amount.

Wow, it sure seems to me that making your Autocannon S8 is an augmentation to me!