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If I rolled a on the first roll for a TL-KMB and re-rolled it as something other than a one, does the first still wound the model? O, when you "re-roll" anything, the first roll doesn't count?

The re-roll is what you look at, if thats also a 1 you take a wound if not your fine.

Thanks... that's what I thought...

it is mentioned on page 31 of the BRB on the bottom left corner, under the heading gets hot and re-rolls.

I am trying to figure out which model which can take a wound has a TL-KMB...

:?

Deffkopta can buy 'em 5 points cheaper...

KMB has same range and str as TL-rokkits... but, has gets hot rule tho. Which isn't all that bad since Defkoptas has 4+ armou.

I just wasn't too clear on the re-roll and the first "one"

Hate to break it to you, but the Deffkopta has no option for a twin-linked KMB.

You can buy a non-twinlinked KMB to replace your TL Big shootas.

No other model in the standard dex gets TL KMB either, that i can see.

Yep, it's not twin-linked. Nor does it get an extra d6 penetration at 12" as your unedited post stated as the KMB does not have the melta rule.

Well Damn.. that's what Army builder is saying... O.o

Then, I checked the codex...

ya'll right... my bad...

ya'll can ignore me now... *hangs head in shame*

If that is the case, then make sure you post a big report at http://www.ab40k.org/ so that the error can be rectified in future datafiles.


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Make that a 'bug' report.

Ascalam wrote:Hate to break it to you, but the Deffkopta has no option for a twin-linked KMB.

You can buy a non-twinlinked KMB to replace your TL Big shootas.

No other model in the standard dex gets TL KMB either, that i can see.

Unless I'm missing something, no ork unit from any official book has the option for a TL-KMB

It would be nice though sometimes

whembly wrote:Well Damn.. that's what Army builder is saying... O.o

Then, I checked the codex...

ya'll right... my bad...

ya'll can ignore me now... *hangs head in shame*

What version of the files are you using? I just looked in 1.19, 1.21 and 1.24 and it has only the codex options. Note that if you take a squad >1 model, 2+ KMBs means they are on 2+models.

Homer

Jidmah wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Hate to break it to you, but the Deffkopta has no option for a twin-linked KMB.

You can buy a non-twinlinked KMB to replace your TL Big shootas.

No other model in the standard dex gets TL KMB either, that i can see.

Unless I'm missing something, no ork unit from any official book has the option for a TL-KMB

No but you can get ammo runt rerolls with gets hot weapons.

Guys... I immediately uninstalled it and reinstalled AB... I specifically paid attention to pull in all the updates. It looks a little different and when I pull in the Ork details, it looks much accurate. You can also go get the updated Grey Knights! w00t!

Unfortunately, I don't know what was my previous version... :/ If I find another PC, I'll install the old version to get that version number... but, it's prolly a moot point (as it was really old).

I think I'm good on the AB front now.

Back to the main question... Boo for no TL-KMB!! lol

Anyhoo, I guess the only good place for them would be on KillaKans (to get AP 2 and it's 5 points cheaper!).

Thanks for clearing that up!


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wwwZugZugorc wrote:

Jidmah wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Hate to break it to you, but the Deffkopta has no option for a twin-linked KMB.

You can buy a non-twinlinked KMB to replace your TL Big shootas.

No other model in the standard dex gets TL KMB either, that i can see.

Unless I'm missing something, no ork unit from any official book has the option for a TL-KMB

No but you can get ammo runt rerolls with gets hot weapons.

good point!

not sure if its worth it... but, something to knaw on...

Yup. And I guess you can have a tl KMB for a single turn on a Big Mek with Ammo runt.

You would never roll 2 dice with an ammo runt as you only want to burn the ammo runt *BY CHOICE* if you fail to hit, so the order does matter for an ammo runt.

A TL weapon it doesn't matter the order as you are not consuming anything for a miss, in fact for a gets hot, you would not want to roll 2 because it is very possible to roll a 2 (miss) then roll a 1 (gets hot miss). That is impossible to distinguish with two of the same dice.

nkelsch wrote:You would never roll 2 dice with an ammo runt as you only want to burn the ammo runt *BY CHOICE* if you fail to hit, so the order does matter for an ammo runt.

A TL weapon it doesn't matter the order as you are not consuming anything for a miss, in fact for a gets hot, you would not want to roll 2 because it is very possible to roll a 2 (miss) then roll a 1 (gets hot miss). That is impossible to distinguish with two of the same dice.

Also master crafted and similar "re-roll a single to-hit/to wound" special rules; those all require the roll and see if you want to re-roll.

Further more any time you are rolling multiple twin linked weapons it is easier to just roll all your shots, then re-roll your misses; prevents any possible distractions from gaining you more hits than shots fired; this has happened in tourney before: 6 Ork Warbikers rolled 36 dice for their 18 shots(since they are twin-linked), something distracted us between the cast of the dice and the counting of hits, wound up with 23 shots hitting(lucky rolls) out of the 18 fired, nearly all of them wounded guardsmen who were out of cover, we also didn't realize what had happened until the Ork assault phase where only 7 guardsmen were left, 3 of those being HWT(each with a wound on them; total models were the 2 teams, 3 PW sgts, and a commissar).