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I was looking into historicals but I'm wondering what basing the different major games? I know Warhammer historical uses 20mm square, but what do the others like Field of Glory, Black Powder, and such use?

Also what games are for the pike/shotte period?

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You can use any basing you like for Blackpowder...

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Field of Glory uses 40mm wide bases for 15mm scale and 60mm wide bases for 28mm scale. The depth of the base and the number of figures per base varies with troop type. For example, Heavy Foot (e.g. hoplites) use a 40x15mm base with 4 figures per base.

Field of Glory has a separate rule set for Pike and Shotte (Field of Glory Renaissance). The base widths are the same and there's a table for depths just like the ancients and medieval rules. (However, heavy foot use 20mm deep bases for some strange reason)

Like Big P said, Black Powder has very flexible basing standards. The guiding principle for Black Powder is that opposing units of equal strength should have an equal frontage. So, if your french infantry are based with a 20mm frontage and your British infantry have a 15mm frontage, you would simply use fewer french bases to represent a batallion than you do with your British.

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Are the units representative or man for man? (Does each mini equal a man or each base equals a formation?)

What game and basing style would you suggest for 28mm pike and shotte era?

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In Black Powder (and Hail Caesar, its sister game), the bases represent a unit of guys with each figure representing 5-20 guys depending on your scenario. You do not pull figs from the unit as the unit takes damage but place casualty markers next to the unit representing the fact that the unit has lost a portion of men. When the unit takes a certain amount of casualties (represented by how many markers it has), the unit is considered to have been routed, or destroyed enough. Sure there may be the odd man still fighting on the battlefield, but there is not enough men left in the unit to make a tactical difference in the battle. (This game is made to represent battles where thousands and thousands of men fought in a battle, so individual models who are not commanders would rarely make a big difference.

For any historical figures, I would suggest doing what I have done with my AWI (American War for Independence) figures. I am basing them on washers and then am cutting magnetic sheets to the standard sizes used by the various rulesets. This way I can just stick 4-6 guys magnetically on the base that game uses without ever needing to rebase by guys if I change rulesets. This also allows me to use the figs for skirmish games like Ganesha Games' Song of Drums and Skakos which I recommend strongly if you are getting in to historicals as it gives you a game to play while collecting a larger force to play games like Black Powder. You can pick up their rules here: http://6sided.net/products-2?ap_id=nuadha Song of Drums and Skakos is only $8. It is designed for Napoleonic, but can easily be adapted to any black powder era figures. (I use it for AWI.) They have rulesets that cover any era of Modern Warfare and they are coming out with an ancients set called Song of Shields and Spears. For more detail on how their basic rules mechanics work, you can also check out my review of Song of Blades and Heroes here: http://nuadha.6sided.net/2011/06/21/other-options-song-of-blades-and-heroes/

For Pike and Shotte, you may want to check out Warhammer English Civil War from Warhammer Historicals. I recently picked up a copy on eBay for only $10 and it is a very nice book. Field of Glory has a rulebook that covers the era as well though I have not been too impressed with the rules.


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Also, I should point out that Black Powder does not really cover Pike and Shotte. The rules were written to cover wars from the early 18th century (War of Spanish Succession) to the late 19th century. The main difference is that in the Pike and Shotte era the gun did not yet replace the Pikemen and melee specialized troops. The War of Spanish Succession is considered the first war where most units would be armed with rifles. Of course, the rules are fairly flexible and with some adapting you could probably fix that.

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It's worth noting that practically all Ancients/Mediaeval rules use the same basing as Field of Glory.

The main exception is Warhammer Ancients.


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