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Im going to enter a very competitive atmosphere and these are my two list I intend to bring. I am not limited on models.


List 1:
Void Seer Mordikaar
2x Titain Cannoneer

2x Bloodrunner Master Tormentor
2x Extroller Soulward
2x Void Spirit
Max Cataphract Cetrati
Tyrant Vorkesh
Max Praetorian Ferox

List 2:
Lord Tyrant Hexeris
3x Titian Cannoneer

2x Bloodrunner Master Tormentor
2x Extroller Soulward
2x Void Spirit
Max Cataphract Cetrati
Tyrant Vorkesh
Min Paingiver Beast Handlers
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew

Im extremely well versed to List 1. Hollow on Ferox and revive my units. Cannoneers make them come to me. Banishing ward on a Void Spirit to chase down ranged units that dont have magic weapons.

List 2 I have some play with the caster. I would use this list vs any magic intesive lists (Circle, Cryx, or Ret). This list I was thinking of just staying back and blasting with 4 Boostable POW 15s. I dont care who you are, that hurts with cetrati following the charge.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
Any seen or forseable issues?

I'd probably drop Vorkesh on list 2. Right now, they're pretty much the only targets for Death March, and MAT 9 Cetrati with Vengeance are pretty damn scary. I'd also lose at least one of the Cannoneers and replace it with a Razorworm and filler, or even a Gladiator. Hexeris wants a decent frontline arc node. Razorworms do it by being fast and digging in, while the Gladiator is just a pain in the ass to kill.

I thought about taking one out of the mix and adding in a worm. but then it is just an arc node and generally is dead after that. Cannoneers can be brutal in CC as well as ranged. The big reason this list is generated is to combat cryx, circle and ret. Vorkesh is a must to keep my front line from being affected by spells. I dont expect to use Death march too much since they already will hit with MAT 7.
My caster will upkeep PV reducing me to 6 fury. Thats enough for a boosted Obliterate. If anything I would Soul Slave a cannoneer and use that to lay two POW 15s keeping the caster with the Cetrati. The extrollers will already be giving the cannoneer eyeless sight so that takes out one of the benifits of the worm.
If I dropped the cannoneer for the worm what else would be good to add? thats still 5pts (6 if i drop the bellow crew).

I'm surprised you're talking about Hexeris and *shudder* Mordikaar for competitive play. Usually I see lists that are packing one of the Makedas and/or Zaal, both of which sync quite well with Molik Karn, which is one of your strongest pieces. Zaal in particular is quite strong in an epic Asphyxious sort of way.

No Bronzebacks? A list without paingivers? No Gladiators?

Granted, I'm sure your local meta is different than mine, but it seems like you're avoiding the power pieces in Skorne. If you're planning on playing a 'they come to me' sort of game in a steamroller tournament, however, you might be in for a rough road. What kind of stuff is winning in your local tournaments? I play competitively in my area as well, and I never see stuff like this...

-Dis.

The area in Tulsa, OK where I play is very competitive, 4 of my group went to L&L and placed well. My Mordikaar list i have never had problems running it because of how I run it. Everyone expects Molik Monkey and knows what to do with it. I have outlasted most with Mordikaar. I will charge every time with my cetrati and keep two in the back to revive. I actually play very very aggressive with the list. I never have to worry about my beast frenzing since if they do they will be next to the enemy. If they frenzy near me, I base them with my Void Sprirts which normally flank. Normally I would use a full unit of swordsmen and not the ferox but I want to try the ferox since they can not be knock down.

disdainful wrote:I'm surprised you're talking about Hexeris and *shudder* Mordikaar for competitive play.

Watts played both Mordikaar and Hexeris in Templecon championships and lost just the last game. Both Hexeris and Mordikaar are competitive, but require a bit out of the box thinking.

If you lived near the Tulsa, OK area I would always be willing to show the competitiveness of Mordikaar.

We had guys at L&L from the L.A. area who did well also. I'm not decrying your choices; I'm genuinely interested as to how you make those models work, given the fact that, again, I never see them in competitive play.

How do you deal with the usual suspects like Terminus brick/eGaspy, and turn denial stuff like eDeneghra/eHaley? Do you play SR2011 straight out of the book? Again, purely scholarly interest on my part; the consensus around here on Mordikaar is a resounding 'meh', and Hexeris shows up every now and again as an alternate, nothing more.

And, of course, if you're ever in L.A., I'd be happy to see how it all works first hand

-Dis.

I can't help but feel that your 2nd list is essentially Mordikaar: Part 2. In other words, I look at it and don't see anything different there from a playstyle perspective. That in no way is a weakness if you simply play better with that combination of units, which looks to be Cetrati brick backed up by Titan gun support, but it does make you rather one-dimensional versus taking 2 distinctly different lists.

Honestly, for list 2, I'd take the Molik Missile simply because opponents who are un-used to Mordikaar will have a giant 'WTF' factor if they choose their anti-assassination ist.

I tend to run eZMAK and Rasheth for just that reason. My opponent typically thinks he's got to defend against the Missile, and ends up getting horribly bogged down in Gatormen and Gladiators.

Like I mentioned I play my list very aggressively. I will keep banishing ward on a void spirit to keep harassing the enemy and pick my fights. generally they will keep solos away from the VS. I will shield wall my units until they are in charge range and Then I will charge with at least 4 at a time. I normally dont use ferox with the list but use a maxed out unit of swordsmen as a tar pit. (switched them out to reduce the time of my turns. I dont have to worry about spells on my cetrati and keep reviving them. I have won more times than I have lost with the list.
Mordikaar sits in the back and i revive as much as possible. Just like trolls I can outlast most armies.

Yes but that doesn't address my point, which was that you have one 'main' list that you seem very familiar with, and then have duplicated 80% of that main list for your #2.

I think you could profit more from having 2 distinct lists, and by taking one of the more known/common lists to give your opponent a head-fake.

Ah I know see what you mean. Yes the list are very very simular. There is a reason for this. The cannoneer is a great warbeast at range and in CC. Most people expext to see skorne run up and smash... im not all about following suit. The cannoneers also help Hexeris utilize his feat with range and a strong blast. this way I can soften up the enemy before i get there. Another reason I like the simular list is that I am very well used to the thinking of play style of the models and how they work together. my opponent on the other hand will only face me once, so not much worry about that.
My main list I will be using will be mordikaar, hexeris is the caster I will use against infantry spam and magic caster.