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The Adeptus Mechanicus has always seemed strange, thats obvious, but from the rumors to hording the STC and all they seem like they have some hidden agenda. In the Ciaphas Cain novel, Caves Of Ice they talk about the Mechanicus pulling strings to put the mine directly on a Necron tomb, Amberly Vail mentions how she thinks the Inquisition should investigate their worship of their Omnissiah. They have their own language, binary, which no one outside of the Mechanicus knows, and they seem to try to get their hands on, and horde, all new tech that comes about for themselves. This all sounds very suspicious to me and i wonder if they are truely loyal to the Imperium.

Master of Arms wrote:This all sounds very suspicious to me and i wonder if they are truely loyal to the Imperium.

You don't have to wonder; they never have been loyal to the Imperium. They simply share some congruent goals.

This is only a secret in universe. As the readers/players, it's made obvious to us in many ways since the very beginning.

They're not loyal to the ideals or prosperity of the Imperium, but they need it for their continued survival. Without the Imperial Guard/Navy/Space Marines the Mechanicus would be unable to carry out its agenda across the galaxy, Titan legions and tech guard aren't enough.

Yeah, can't really add much to what's already been said. The Mechanicum does all kinds of shysty business. Really, every faction in 40k does. Approach all of them with the idea that they are hiding something, or have some kind of secret agenda, and you'll pretty much be right every time.

They're just hedging their bets. They were around before the IoM and if The Imperium falls they plan to be around afterwards too.

The trapped Void Dragon inside of Mars is slowing eating every member of the Mechanicus that is implanted with tech parts, which is basically all of them.

Of course they want to get their hands on more necron tech

What would it take, do you think, for all of the Techmarines across the galaxy to realize that something is rotten in the state of Mars and turn on their brethren in the Mechanicum?

In the book Hammer of the Emperor, the 8th Army Group Exolon is sent to Golgotha to get the Baneblade Fortress of Arrogance. Three Mechanicus guys are sent with them, but their job is to find some sort of underground city thing that reminds me of Necrons. Really, they do not care about the Baneblade or the people, they are just means to get to the place.In fact, they kill a Cadian that was spying on them to figure out what they were doing. Considering that I am very pro-Imperium, and especially pro-Cadian, this made me somewhat mad. I didn't rage, just like "How could they do that?"

Oh, and the Warboss there has something on him that they need. And the Mechanicus guys would not let anyone leave until the thing that they need is found, even though they said they would not let anyone leave until the Baneblade is found.

they are sketchy

the Ad Mech is entirely seperate from the IoM.

they are 2 Empires existing side by side and in a state of mutual support.

neither can survive without the other at this point.

daedalus-templarius wrote:The trapped Void Dragon inside of Mars is slowing eating every member of the Mechanicus that is implanted with tech parts, which is basically all of them.

This has no basis on any piece of background material and is, in fact, the opposite of what is directly stated.

The Emperor put the Dragon on Mars to inspire a technocracy that would NOT be beholden to it.

DarknessEternal wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:The trapped Void Dragon inside of Mars is slowing eating every member of the Mechanicus that is implanted with tech parts, which is basically all of them.

This has no basis on any piece of background material and is, in fact, the opposite of what is directly stated.

The Emperor put the Dragon on Mars to inspire a technocracy that would NOT be beholden to it.

^This.

Read Mechanicum (HH) if you want the source and have any queries.

In Titanicus, the mechanicum finds proof that the emperor is not the omnissiah, causing a civil war to break out on the choice whether to leave the imperium or not.

Mr Nobody wrote:In Titanicus, the mechanicum finds proof that the emperor is not the omnissiah, causing a civil war to break out on the choice whether to leave the imperium or not.

Sort of.

The reader is made to believe this is the case...
(Titanicus spoilers to follow)

Master of Arms wrote:The Adeptus Mechanicus has always seemed strange, thats obvious, but from the rumors to hording the STC and all they seem like they have some hidden agenda. In the Ciaphas Cain novel, Caves Of Ice they talk about the Mechanicus pulling strings to put the mine directly on a Necron tomb, Amberly Vail mentions how she thinks the Inquisition should investigate their worship of their Omnissiah. They have their own language, binary, which no one outside of the Mechanicus knows, and they seem to try to get their hands on, and horde, all new tech that comes about for themselves. This all sounds very suspicious to me and i wonder if they are truely loyal to the Imperium.

Well, binary isn't a secret language, there are those outside the Mechanicum that can understand/speak it, its just most unaugmented humans are incapable of understanding it by its very nature.

As for loyalty to the Imperium, no they are not. The bit that many people seem to miss is that the Imperium is a dual kingdom/monarchy, similar to the former Austro-Hungarian Empire in the real world. The Adeptus Mechanicus is technically its own seperate and distinct sovereign entity, loyal only to itself. It is not technically a part of the Imperium of Man, so much as an autonomous entity that exists alongside it, having recognized the Emperor as the Omnissiah, and thus the common ruler of both the Imperium and the Mechanicum.

This is only a secret in universe. As the readers/players, it's made obvious to us in many ways since the very beginning.

See, above its not really a secret at all, so much as its assumed that Adeptus wouldn't screw the other half of the pie (the Imperium).

Mr Nobody wrote:In Titanicus, the mechanicum finds proof that the emperor is not the omnissiah, causing a civil war to break out on the choice whether to leave the imperium or not.

The Machine Cult knew the Emperor wasn't the Machine God ten thousand years ago. In fact, Omnissiah was a title the two parties (Emperor and Machine Cult) invented at the time to explain why they were now allies (the Emperor's offer of "join my empire or I smash your cult out of existence and take everything you have anyway" didn't leave them much choice).

They just went "uh sure, he's the Omnissiah, which is another name for our Machine God, so no orthodox rebellions or issues need take place. In other news, we won't be obliterated today."

Given that that pretty much everyone in-the-know in the cult of Mars was killed within a few centuries of this happening, without really passing this information along (first, most of them joined Horus and killed those who didn't, second, those were then killed by the Imperium), and their tradition of not telling anyone anything anyway, just lost this information to time.

the higher ups know the truth, but it really doesn't matter.

they realise the Emperor is vital for everything to function(their ships can't travel without the Astronomican)

the Emperor was also abit of a gearhead and a genetic engineer so he had much in common with them at the beginning.