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Made in ie
Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard





Ireland

So I played a tournament last week and bombed. The army list I used is as below, the problem was that my assault squads didn't survive long enough to be any good, the librarian and sanguinary priests were the only reason they weren't blown off the table in turn 1.
So despite what everyone said death company and a dc dread in a strom raven actually works quite well, not to say that there aren't problems cos there are but I think those are less crushing then what happened to my scoring units.

The list I used is as follows:

Spoiler:
Librarian: 175 points
Epistolry
jump pack
sanguine sword
unleash rage

Sanguinary priests: 175
2x priests
2x jump packs
1x power fist

Assault squad: 245
10 men
2 melta guns
1 power weapon and storm sheild

Assault squad: 240
10 men
2 melta guns
1 thunder hammer

Death company: 300
6 men
1 thunder hammer
lemartes

DC Dread: 150
heavy flamer
magna grapple

Storm raven:
extra armor
TL mulitmelta
TL Lazcannon


So the question I have is the following list more useful or not? I may sub in a vindicator for the baal, not sure about that atm.
The dc squad don't need a power fist or thunder hammer as the raven cleaves through armour quick enough with the TL multimelta so I'd rather have another 4 ws s & i 5 power weapon attacks on the charge. And if the raven fails then the dread can open up on it with it's melta gun and magna grapple. I think that the scouts could be good as a squad to keep hidden and to take points.

Spoiler:
Librarian: 125 points
jump pack
Shield of Sanguinius
unleash rage

Sanguinary priests: 90
1x priests
1x jump packs
1x power weapon

Assault squad: 240
10 men
2 melta guns
1 thunder hammer

Death company: 305
7 men
1 power weapon
lemartes

DC Dread: 150
heavy flamer
magna grapple

Scout squad: 180
10 men
10 camo cloaks
4 sniper rifles
1 rocket launcher

Baal predator: 145
TL assault cannons
heavy bolter sponsons

Storm raven:
extra armor
TL mulitmelta
TL Lazcannon


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Sharjah

The second list is better, but I think you're finding out how difficult it is to run a Stomraven list at 1500 points. It's also a bad idea to mix vehicles and Jump Infantry. You simply have too few targets of any type to overwhelm your opponent's ability to deal with that type.

I'd pick either Jump Infantry or mech as a theme and stick to it.

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Romania

Your squads are punded because after all vehicles are down all heavy weapons shoot your marines.The list are not very very competitive.I don'trecommand Lemartes for his points..Also keep squads cheap 235points. 10 ras 2 melta 1pf

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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard





Ireland

MrEconomics wrote:The second list is better, but I think you're finding out how difficult it is to run a Stomraven list at 1500 points. It's also a bad idea to mix vehicles and Jump Infantry. You simply have too few targets of any type to overwhelm your opponent's ability to deal with that type.

I'd pick either Jump Infantry or mech as a theme and stick to it.


I get the raven problem, it's a little annoying but of the 5 games it got bombed out of the air once, so 1/5 failure rate is ok for me. I found the jump infantry failed miserably against ork hordes and massed guard fire. Overall the things people told me never to touch, the raven and the dc did a much better job in each battle then the jump infantry.
You are probably right about picking a theme but I would have to make a large investment on baal preds and vindicators and assault squads in razorbacks.

usa_supersonic wrote:Your squads are punded because after all vehicles are down all heavy weapons shoot your marines.The list are not very very competitive.I don'trecommand Lemartes for his points..Also keep squads cheap 235points. 10 ras 2 melta 1pf

Actually the vehicles lasted longer, the dread was usually in cc so he was out of the pic during the shooting phase. Lemartes is expensive by about 25 points but the amount of damage him and the dc do in cc makes them worth it.

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2000+
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Sharjah

Just to be clear, you could go with an all-infantry list too. You already have a lot of the Assault Marines you'd need. All you would need to add would be Vanguard Veterans and maybe Devastators, and more Assault Marines of course.

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Ireland

I know all infantry or a DOA list is an option, I was just saying that a mechanised list was a bit of an investment.

I have a range of devastators and another 10 assault marines that need painting, so that list is possible but are vanguard marines worth it?


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2000+
1500+
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Tower of Power






Cannock

Wasted wargear and mix of types of unit is your problem. Example why put a power fist on the Priest when the Priest is a I.C? Priest will strike last which means attacks will be allocated to the Priest and he will die before he swings the fist, plus you're forced to get into assault in order to use the fist putting the Priest at risk. NO fist.

Another example single Stormraven. That's a big ass target for anti tank.

Make your list all mech or all infantry. Need any help PM me or check my blog www.imperiusdominatus.com

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Ireland

What wasted wargear is in the second list? The squads are fairly tight and the IC have nothing added bar a power weapon to the sanguinary priest.

I get the all mech or all infantry point.

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Cannock

Power weapon on Priest for same reasons as power fist. Missile launcher on Scouts.

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Ireland

How do you play your priests? Do you just leave them sitting in a transport 6" away from cc or something? That seems like a waste to me.

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Sharjah

mercer wrote:Power weapon on Priest for same reasons as power fist. Missile launcher on Scouts.


Frankly mercer, I think it's the 5 extra scouts that are the wasted wargear, not the Missile launcher. DC Dread shouldn't need a Heavy Flamer, either, as long as it has Blood Talons (which it should).

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Cannock

I agree on the number of Scouts too, reason is you want a cheap scoring unit as you know. Now my point about the missile launcher is if you're firing at tanks then the snipers do next to nothing, if firing at infantry you may as well just take a sniper rifle and cut the points.

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Ireland

Hmm, going on the idea of cutting down on un-needed stuff; if I cut the 5 scouts, take off the power weapon and a few cuts off the dc dread I can put in a furioso with extra armour.

It's not the size of the blade, it's how you use it.
2000+
1500+
2000+

For all YMDC arguements remember: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vbd3E6tK2U

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