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A) Can you shoot a unit after you deffrollad them?(ie I blew up a landraider and flamered the troops inside)

B) kinda related...can you shoot at the unit inside a transport, the same turn you destroyed the transport?

Yes and Yes. The deff rolla does damage during your movement phase, which is before the shooting phase.

Which is why being an ork player ROCKS!

If you roll over him slowly and lovingly the folk inside can shoot out too

another add-on question

The battlewagon is not a fast-vehicle...so does this mean the passangers can't shoot if it moves 12"?

No passengers can shoot if the vehicle moves over 6". Doesnt matter if the vehicle is fast, open topped or any combination, passengers CANNOT fire if the vehicle moves 6" +

Oops!

A battlewagon also can't move more than 12" or 13" with red paint(counting as 12").

You always still have the option to get out of your wagon after deff rollaing, then you can shoot/assault the unit that fell out of whatever got rolla'd even if you moved over the 6".

If you tank shock with the battlewagon deffrolla let say 3 inches, can your passengers still shoot?

SonsofVulkan wrote:If you tank shock with the battlewagon deffrolla let say 3 inches, can your passengers still shoot?

The movement rules are quite clear on this, Tank shocking or not has no bearing on passengers being able too shoot, only the speed you move dictates if you can shoot or not.

Correct, though passengers may never shoot if the vehicle declared a ram.

Jidmah wrote:Correct, though passengers may never shoot if the vehicle declared a ram.

Ramming has no bearing on passengers shooting either. Though since you have to move at the highest speed the vehicle is capable of, unless you hit a vehicle that is 6" away or less and do not explode it, you will move at cruising speed and the passengers will not be able to shoot.

The rules are solely dependent on the vehicle's movement speed in the movement phase.

DeathReaper wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Correct, though passengers may never shoot if the vehicle declared a ram.

Ramming has no bearing on passengers shooting either. Though since you have to move at the highest speed the vehicle is capable of, unless you hit a vehicle that is 6" away or less and do not explode it, you will move at cruising speed and the passengers will not be able to shoot.

The rules are solely dependent on the vehicle's movement speed in the movement phase.

True, was thinking of the vehicle's weapons.

you want to move full speed, deffrolla the vehicle and pop it.

then the orks inside hop out, shoot, and assault the remains.

very orky

Jidmah wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Correct, though passengers may never shoot if the vehicle declared a ram.

Ramming has no bearing on passengers shooting either. Though since you have to move at the highest speed the vehicle is capable of, unless you hit a vehicle that is 6" away or less and do not explode it, you will move at cruising speed and the passengers will not be able to shoot.

The rules are solely dependent on the vehicle's movement speed in the movement phase.

True, was thinking of the vehicle's weapons.

If the BW's actual movement is beyond 6"(7 for Red Paint) the unit cannot fire while embarked; if it rams(the only way you can damage a vehicle with "tank shock") then you must attempt to move your full 12"(13 with RPJ). Now depending on whether you are in the "Defrolla exploding the vehicle= BW continues to move" or not will dictate whether the BE will continue moving after the vehicle is destroyed and whether your unit can fire or not.

So you are both kinda right(and jimdah is absolutely correct, no matter how far the BW actually moves it cannot fire, even if it rams less than 1/2" and fails to explode the vehicle).

Yeah what's even worse in this combination man is to take a big mek with a KFF and Burna, then tag 15 burna boyz with him. Then roll up 6(or 7) inches, if you tank shock a infantry squad it take 1d6 str 10 hits, then roles morale or runs away. After that since you were within movement parameters and it's open topped you try and hit as many members of MULTIPLE squads as possible (if you can). That one template's number of hits multiplies by 16 and then you laugh and laugh and laugh.

I call it operation Burn Tank, deals with swarms like no-one's business! I have wiped out 4 IG squads at once with this tactic in just one shooting phase. Best part? The boyz are still safely tucked away protected by the AV 14 and KFF save. And even after they pop your BW you could run those burnas out and have power weapons the next round.

May your enemies learn to fear your burning Deff rolla!

Enjoy

2 issues;

1) you do not make the d6 s10 hits until after morale for tank shock has been taken(this doesn't really matter, but in the event that they pass their morale, and decide to DoG, then it becomes 2d6 instead of 1d6).

and

2) it will be a very, very rare occurrence where you can legally hit 2 units with template weapons from an open-topped vehicle; this is due to the template rules(must cover as many models from the target unit as possible); only real way to hit 2 units legally is for you to target the one farther away and have the largest concentration of those models behind models from another unit.

16 burnas is really harsh, even to SMs.

Kommissar Kel wrote:2 issues;

1) you do not make the d6 s10 hits until after morale for tank shock has been taken(this doesn't really matter, but in the event that they pass their morale, and decide to DoG, then it becomes 2d6 instead of 1d6).

that might be me being very noob at tank shocking (mostly playing with kans and vs SM, so high LD and not that good of a choice, lol, so not a lot of experience with that) but I do not understand why it becomes 2d6 S10 hits.

When you tank tank shock a unit with the deffrolla, if they fail their moral, they die, if they pass they get the choice of DoG or move out of the way. If the death or glory fails, the model dies. Why would the deff rolla hit?? and Why would it hit 2d6 instead of 1d6.

Again, I have almost no experience iwth tank shocking so I might've forgotten a part of the rule or something.

it becomes 2D6 for a Death or Glory attack because the ork codex says so.

Serder wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:2 issues;

1) you do not make the d6 s10 hits until after morale for tank shock has been taken(this doesn't really matter, but in the event that they pass their morale, and decide to DoG, then it becomes 2d6 instead of 1d6).

that might be me being very noob at tank shocking (mostly playing with kans and vs SM, so high LD and not that good of a choice, lol, so not a lot of experience with that) but I do not understand why it becomes 2d6 S10 hits.

When you tank tank shock a unit with the deffrolla, if they fail their moral, they die, if they pass they get the choice of DoG or move out of the way. If the death or glory fails, the model dies. Why would the deff rolla hit?? and Why would it hit 2d6 instead of 1d6.

Again, I have almost no experience iwth tank shocking so I might've forgotten a part of the rule or something.

Not correct.

if a unit fails their morale test they immediatly begin falling back.

if they pass the test they get out of the way or choose to DoG.

they always take D6 Str10 hits.

if they choose to DoG they take an additional D6 of Str10 hits. the model that is DoG then does so as normal(and will be killed if he fails to stop the tank)

thx for clearing that up guys

Grey Templar wrote:

Serder wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:2 issues;

1) you do not make the d6 s10 hits until after morale for tank shock has been taken(this doesn't really matter, but in the event that they pass their morale, and decide to DoG, then it becomes 2d6 instead of 1d6).

that might be me being very noob at tank shocking (mostly playing with kans and vs SM, so high LD and not that good of a choice, lol, so not a lot of experience with that) but I do not understand why it becomes 2d6 S10 hits.

When you tank tank shock a unit with the deffrolla, if they fail their moral, they die, if they pass they get the choice of DoG or move out of the way. If the death or glory fails, the model dies. Why would the deff rolla hit?? and Why would it hit 2d6 instead of 1d6.

Again, I have almost no experience iwth tank shocking so I might've forgotten a part of the rule or something.

Not correct.

if a unit fails their morale test they immediatly begin falling back.

if they pass the test they get out of the way or choose to DoG.

they always take D6 Str10 hits.

if they choose to DoG they take an additional D6 of Str10 hits. the model that is DoG then does so as normal(and will be killed if he fails to stop the tank)

This would be right. I will look but i think the FAQ states this as well.

So when do the S10 hits come into play? After the DoG or before or at the same time? If before there is a chance that the model attacking could die.

fluff and logically wise, I would say after since if the DoG works the vehicle should be stopped from being able to tank shock.

Rule wise I have no idea thought

After DoG.

Q. Does a unit that successfully stops a Deff
Rolla-equipped Battlewagon’s Tank Shock suffer
any hits?
A. Yes, it does. In fact, it suffers 2D6 S10 hits!

it doesn't matter,

they suffer the Hits even if they blow the tank up/

and they always take the 1D6 hits simply because they were tank shocked.



there is NO way to avoid a Deff Rolla

Grey Templar wrote:it doesn't matter,

they suffer the Hits even if they blow the tank up/

and they always take the 1D6 hits simply because they were tank shocked.



there is NO way to avoid a Deff Rolla

so even if they pass the leadership test and mvoe out fo the way they take d6 S10 hits??

Unless they explode when taking leadership tests, yes.

No, I they take the D6 hits even then.


I belive the Deff Rolla says "any unit Tank Shocked by a vehicle with a Deff Rolla takes D6 Str10 hits. if the unit elects to DoG they take an additional D6 hits"


a unit which fails their morale test was indeed Tank Shocked, so they take the Hits. they must have been Tank Shocked, otherwise they wouldn't be running away.

that will change the way I paly with the deffrolla