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Do pistols use the strength value of their profile when used as a close combat weapon, or do they use the strength of the model? This is about the Infernus Pistol in particular.

The strength of the model. In 5th edition you punch people with your pistol if they get too close

The pistol's profile is only used for shooting. In close combat, it's just a close combat weapon, so hits with the model's Strength.

As above, you dont shoot it in CC, you just smash them over the head with it

pistol whip

I like the idea of pistols with bayonets.

In fact, I'd prefer any gun I would use to have a bayonet. I think CoD:World at War had the shotgun with a bayonet.

Never know when you'll have to stab something!

edit: Hehe, Call of Duty has the same acronym as Cities of Death

Some do

My orks tend to have shiv-laden shootas/sluggas

Supposedly in 6th, you'll have the option of using a pistol's Strength instead of the model's strength in CC.

That'll get ugly fast..

What races have a pistol with S better than their racial stat?

Orks- sluggas are S 4
Dark Eldar have blasters at S 8
IOM have plasma pistols,infernus pistols, bolt pistols (for guard)

Definitely interesting possibility....

I think it might only be for the 'squad leader' model that each unit would have?

In any case, it'd be interesting either way. For Orks, it would be one more reason to take Sluggaboyz over Shootaboyz. Would the extra strength help them to even the score over a Shoota barrage?

For the very reason that you actually smack the enemy with your pistol I gave my succubus a normal wych hand with a punchblade kind of knife and fitted a splinter pistol on the wrist. A wrist mounted splinter pistol and a blade in one hand.

Anvildude wrote:I think it might only be for the 'squad leader' model that each unit would have?

In any case, it'd be interesting either way. For Orks, it would be one more reason to take Sluggaboyz over Shootaboyz. Would the extra strength help them to even the score over a Shoota barrage?

people use Shoota Boys? I thought 90% or more Orks used Sluggas and Choppas.

Anvildude wrote:I think it might only be for the 'squad leader' model that each unit would have?

In any case, it'd be interesting either way. For Orks, it would be one more reason to take Sluggaboyz over Shootaboyz. Would the extra strength help them to even the score over a Shoota barrage?

Boyz already are S4 on the charge, this would most likely only help them when charged or after first round of combat.

Lotet wrote:

Anvildude wrote:I think it might only be for the 'squad leader' model that each unit would have?

In any case, it'd be interesting either way. For Orks, it would be one more reason to take Sluggaboyz over Shootaboyz. Would the extra strength help them to even the score over a Shoota barrage?

people use Shoota Boys? I thought 90% or more Orks used Sluggas and Choppas.

The only real reasons to use Sluggaboyz is their price due to AOBR and putting them in transports. Shootaboyz are superior for foot slogging units.

Jidmah wrote:

Lotet wrote:

Anvildude wrote:I think it might only be for the 'squad leader' model that each unit would have?

In any case, it'd be interesting either way. For Orks, it would be one more reason to take Sluggaboyz over Shootaboyz. Would the extra strength help them to even the score over a Shoota barrage?

people use Shoota Boys? I thought 90% or more Orks used Sluggas and Choppas.

The only real reasons to use Sluggaboyz is their price due to AOBR and putting them in transports. Shootaboyz are superior for foot slogging units.

now the main reason people use Slugga Boys is to put them inside transports? I must know nothing on how to make a good Ork army.

beigeknight wrote:I like the idea of pistols with bayonets.

In fact, I'd prefer any gun I would use to have a bayonet. I think CoD:World at War had the shotgun with a bayonet.

Never know when you'll have to stab something!

There was a senior US Marine who, when first shown a flamethrower, asked "Where'd you put the bayonet?"

's eezee. Jus' flip down da cuttin' nozzle!

Lotet wrote:

Jidmah wrote:

Lotet wrote:

Anvildude wrote:I think it might only be for the 'squad leader' model that each unit would have?

In any case, it'd be interesting either way. For Orks, it would be one more reason to take Sluggaboyz over Shootaboyz. Would the extra strength help them to even the score over a Shoota barrage?

people use Shoota Boys? I thought 90% or more Orks used Sluggas and Choppas.

The only real reasons to use Sluggaboyz is their price due to AOBR and putting them in transports. Shootaboyz are superior for foot slogging units.

now the main reason people use Slugga Boys is to put them inside transports? I must know nothing on how to make a good Ork army.

The difference is existent and very small. But you are, in fact, better off using shootas than sluggas, unless getting charged out of transports is part of your strategy.

Anvildude wrote:Supposedly in 6th, you'll have the option of using a pistol's Strength instead of the model's strength in CC.

It's the way it used to be, way back in 2nd edition, so it wouldn't be a surprising change.

Anvildude wrote:Supposedly in 6th, you'll have the option of using a pistol's Strength instead of the model's strength in CC.

That would be very interesting. That would make the cheaper plasma pistol that strikes at ini a normality with guard over the S6 I1 power fist, making guard blobs more interesting and devastating.

Though they'll not be able to hit through heavier armour, and be threatened by Gets Hot!...

I know it's OT, but to clarify the 6th edition pistol rumours:

The way I understand it, a model will be able to use the pistol's strength in combat, and will get to make all of their attacks on the charge, but in subsequent rounds will only be able to make one attack with it (without bonuses for extra CCWs etc). AP1-2 weapons will count as Rending (2), and Gets Hot will still apply.

I don't know if you'll be able to use other weapons in addition to this (like power weapons), or if it's like using a different special close combat weapon, though. But it does make things like plasma pistols more interesting for assault units.

Cheexsta wrote:I know it's OT, but to clarify the 6th edition pistol rumours:

The way I understand it, a model will be able to use the pistol's strength in combat, and will get to make all of their attacks on the charge, but in subsequent rounds will only be able to make one attack with it (without bonuses for extra CCWs etc). AP1-2 weapons will count as Rending (2), and Gets Hot will still apply.

I don't know if you'll be able to use other weapons in addition to this (like power weapons), or if it's like using a different special close combat weapon, though. But it does make things like plasma pistols more interesting for assault units.

ok so similar to using grenades or melta bombs when attacking a tank. You sacrifice the extra attacks for the ability to shoot a higher strength pistol. sounds interesting.

Anvildude wrote:Supposedly in 6th, you'll have the option of using a pistol's Strength instead of the model's strength in CC.

Makes sense to me. Firing a pistol in CC is a likely scenario.