Does a 2+/2++ Save exist?

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**snake**

As the title reads. I know GK have the warding stick, but I'm asking about a constant 2++ or special rule equivalent thereof.

**Xca|iber**

There are several 2++ saves available to various armies, though I believe the only one that is both 2+/2++ is a Terminator or Artificer'd Techmarine with a Warding Stave in close combat.

Other 2++ Saves: Ghazzy on a Waaagh!, Shadow Field, Blessing of the Blood God (Daemons; against Force Weapons), etc.

**Grey Templar**

I don't thing there is anything that gives a constant 2+/2++ save all the time.

**BSent**

I'm pretty sure there's something in the Imperial Armor Badab War that gives a 2++ too, but I think it only works if you pass a psychic test.

**Ratbarf**

Gray Knight Terminator with Warding Staff? Or is that only in close combat?

**Grey Templar**

only in CC.

which really was a mistake as the rod is fairly overpriced to only be in CC(especially with only 1 per squad)

**The Ghoma**

Well Ghazkhull Thraka had a flag bearer that had a 2+/2++ save IIRC, but it was killed when Ghazkhull decided to sit down on top of it.

As for up to date equipment i don't think such a thing exists apart from IA

**gaovinni**

I can think of several things with either 2+ or 2++ but nothing with both.

**Kilgore Trout 420**

Not quite the same thing but a Canoness with Cloak of Saint Aspira can have a 2+/2++ for as long as she has the faith to spend, not that it would be a wise use of faith.

**nosferatu1001**

The SC libby in IA9 has a 2++ save if he passes a psychic power.

Noone has a permanent 2++ and 2+

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Basically, all of the above.
The classic example is, in my opinion, Ghazza's Waaagh! rule, which gives him a 1-game turn 2++ save.

**Grey Templar**

but he loses his Armor save during that time.

it doesn't matter now, but with the old DH codex psycannons and incinerators ignored Invulns so that could result in CHazzy not having any saves against certain weapons.