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I have this idea for my special weapons teams to each have 2 snipers and 1 Grenade launcher with all 3 of thier loaders. My question is Can my forward units with the enemy in sight "spot" for the grenade launchers even if the GL do not have LOS?

Dan

Grenade Launchers have no rule that would allow them to target enemy units they do not have LOS to, so no.

but if the forward unit has LOS, cant they be the "eyes" for the GL? If all my units have Vox, they have better coms. That is just like calling in an artillary strike.

The answer is simply no.

There is no rule in the codex or the main rule book for anything of the nature. For a unit to shoot it must have LoS or else have the "Barrage" rule for indirect fire.

OK, I see. So a mortar unit can be spotted for by a forward unit then, correct?

danpieri wrote:So a mortar unit can be spotted for by a forward unit then, correct?

No. There's no such thing as spotters in WH40K. Barrage weapons have rules that permit them to shoot without LOS, and it matters not if someone else can see the target.

Looking through the rule book here, may not have gotten to it yet, but can a unit "target" a piece of terrain they have LOS on such as a tree, that may be within the blast range of an enemy unit in hopes of hitting the unit?

Unless otherwise specified, you must target a unit.

OK
I have watched others playing.
They would target the corner of the buillding or the window in order to hit the unit. Were they right or wrong?

danpieri wrote:I have watched others playing. They would target the corner of the buillding or the window in order to hit the unit.

Units normally shoot at units. Blasts must be placed with the central hole on a model in the target unit, and in LOS (unless it is Barrage). A weapon that can be shot at terrain will most certainly have notes to that effect in the Codex where you find it.

Yeah, even weapons that don't require line of sight still require you to center the marker on a model.

It sounds like you're familiar with WWII or modern war gaming and are expecting Imperial Guard to behave in a similar fashion. Unfortunately the similarities are superficial at best, and so don't expect to be able to do anything that a historical war game would allow.

Edit: replying to the OP of course and not the ninja.

In 4th Ed, weapons that are now 'Barrage' were 'Guess' weapons, that could do what you're saying- target a piece of terrain, or a spot on the table- more often than not, an enemy unit. In that case, the Player was acting as a sort of 'spotter' for the weapon. However it remained that if there weren't any models there (even if there were units like Ymgarl or whatever, hiding, but not actually placed in the terrain) there wouldn't be any damage.

Honestly, the closest thing to what you're thinking of, that exists in 40K, is an Apocalypse formation with Whirlwinds and Landspeeders that allows Whirlwinds to have increased range and accuracy, using the Land Speeders as 'sighters'- but there's nothing like that in regular 40K.

Anvil - totally and utterly untrue. In 4th ed they were still barrage, and must target a unit. They still included a line telling you what "guess" meant - that they now mean "barrage"

3rd ed you had weapons where you literally guessed the distance to target, like 7th ed and prior versions of fantasy.

Nos is correct. There has never been a 'Guess Range' weapon. Instead the guessing was a mechanic of 'Barrage' weapons. While the guessing is no longer a mechanic of 'Barrage' weapons, the 'G' in their range still means that it is a 'Barrage' weapon.

Nos is also correct that 'Barrage' weapons could never target the ground. They targeted units just like any other weapon.

Really? The Ork Codex still has a G48 weapon, the Lobbas. I was told, when I was starting out, that it meant I had to target a unit, then 'guess' how far, within that 48", it was from the Lobbas. The template was then placed there, often in the middle of nothing, then scattered. (I wasn't very good at judging distances then). I started out on the ass-end of 4th, the beginning of 5th.

anytime a codex sys G it now means barrage.


this means it doesn't require LoS to target a unit(but no BS subtraction if there isn't LoS) but it still follows other targeting restrictions(like range)

As has been stated already, a 'G' in the range indicates that the weapon is a Barrage weapon. While guessing was a part of the mechanics of Barrage weapons in past editions, that is no longer the case. The 'G' in the range no longer means 'guess' but it still indicates that it is a Barrage weapon.

danpieri wrote:OK
I have watched others playing.
They would target the corner of the buillding or the window in order to hit the unit. Were they right or wrong?

It depends.
If they were using barrage weapons, and were aiming at a unit that was spread over two levels of the same building/ruin, then the shell automatically lands on the highest level. It could be that, after scatter, the shell ended up on the higher level.

Also, it should be known that 40k has a permissive ruleset. Unless the rules specifically say you CAN do something, then you can't do it. It's like how the Constitution [was supposed to] bind the US government. Unless it says that specifically CAN do something, they can't do it.