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It states in the codex the HT may join the TG exactly as if it was an IC


Will this apply to the IC rules for CC?


We assumed yes last night, resulting in him being squelched by 2 DC Dreads and Mephiston :3

The HT joins as if it were an IC, but isn't an IC. Once it has joined the unit, it is just a part of the unit, since it doesn't have the IC rule.

So essentially it can't be targeted in CC?




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just seen the FAQ on GW site, cheers mate!

That is correct, the Hive tyrant can not be picked out in CC.

However with two Death company dreadnoughts and Mepheston attacking, your unit is probably going to die anyway.

Considering the MOST wounds you could ever have in the unit is 13 with a Majority Toughness of 6 I'd say you're right.

Especially considering your majority WS of 5 (unless you run only one Tyrant Guard) because you are punching a single unit with Complex WS which is given a majority WS.

Yes. An IC can not target the Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord if there is Tyrant Guard with him. The Tyranid player gets to allocate the wounds.


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And yes the downer is if you have more than 1 Tyrant Guard your majority WS will be 5,until the Tyrant Guard(s) die.

with majority ws 5 most things are hittting on 4+ anyways so that doesn't really matter. WS needs to be double+1 to get 5+ and with meq that's a 9.

Just a note on this: Majority WS only matters when being attacked. Individual models use their own WS for doing the attacking. Not that any of that matters, the BAs will be hitting on 4+ no matter what the majority WS is and only the HT will ever be hitting on a 3+.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Just a note on this: Majority WS only matters when being attacked. Individual models use their own WS for doing the attacking. Not that any of that matters, the BAs will be hitting on 4+ no matter what the majority WS is and only the HT will ever be hitting on a 3+.

Unless you are going against Swarmlord with 1 Tyrant Guard(a little off subject though) You would need 5+ to hit.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Just a note on this: Majority WS only matters when being attacked. Individual models use their own WS for doing the attacking. Not that any of that matters, the BAs will be hitting on 4+ no matter what the majority WS is and only the HT will ever be hitting on a 3+.

Yes, this is true. I did not clarify this in my statement above. It is only for attacking the unit does majority WS matter, not for making the attacks.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Just a note on this: Majority WS only matters when being attacked. Individual models use their own WS for doing the attacking. Not that any of that matters, the BAs will be hitting on 4+ no matter what the majority WS is and only the HT will ever be hitting on a 3+.

The BA's in question, The Death Company Dreadnoughts, hit on a 4+ But Mepheston hits on a 3+ since he has a WS greater than the majority of his target unit. and with his stats I would be shocked if the Hive Tyrant was not dead on Mephistons' Initiative.

If he is not, at least one of the DC dreads would surely cause enough wounds to kill the tyrant, even if the tyrant manages to kill one of the dreads.

Depending on the setup of the HT with its lash whip and all.

Nuclear_Bomb wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:Just a note on this: Majority WS only matters when being attacked. Individual models use their own WS for doing the attacking. Not that any of that matters, the BAs will be hitting on 4+ no matter what the majority WS is and only the HT will ever be hitting on a 3+.

Unless you are going against Swarmlord with 1 Tyrant Guard(a little off subject though) You would need 5+ to hit.

The above is incorrect.

The Death Company Dreadnoughts, hit on a 4+ and Mepheston would as well against the swarmlord and 1 tyrant guard. Not 5+, you would need to have something attack the Swarmlord with 1 Tyrant Guard that has a WS of 4 to make the attackers hit on 5's

What is Mepheston's WS?

Meph's WS is 7

So if the Swarmlord is solo or with 1 guard he hits the unit on a 4+

If it has 2 guard or more he hits on a 3+

Due to majority WS clause.

Which is why you take lash whips on tyrant guard - making meph hit after you is always a good thing

and that's also why you assault with a unit and Meph, so you can force the Hive tyrant into B2B with the unit and not meph and disallow attacks onto him from the Hive Tyrant.