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With it being the centenary of his birth this year, and everybody else covering it, I thought Dakka should jump on the band wagon and start its own discussion. Also, it's something we're discussing in my history class, so I apologise for using people on this site as guinea pigs, but I actually enjoy the debate on these boards.

So, on this note, let's get started.

Did Reagan really end the cold war?

Does he deserve his reputation for fiscal prudence i.e lowering taxes and reducing federal involvement in trade and commerce.

What about the time he locked up the air traffic controllers? Or the arming of various groups/interests in South America?

Did he have an affair with our Maggie!

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Don't be insane. He didn't lock up the air traffic controllers. He fired the bastards for threatening to strike. Government employess have no place being unionized. Even FDR knew that.

Its morning in America...


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Imagination land

From what I gathered from American Dad, I would of voted for him aswell.
   
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Little known fact: Reagan beat Zombie Hitler to death with his own fake moustache.

Widely known fact: Reagan paid for that microphone.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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I like Ronald because Maggie likes Ronald.

Simple!

We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.  
   
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Canterbury

Frazzled wrote:Don't be insane. He didn't lock up the air traffic controllers. He fired the bastards for threatening to strike. Government employess have no place being unionized.


Where free Unions and collective bargaining are forbidden freedom is lost.


One of the most elemental rights [is] the right to join a free trade union.




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See, thats why you lost the Empire. You made Vampire Queen Victoria sad. Guards...off with his head!


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"The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service," Roosevelt wrote in 1937 to the National Federation of Federal Employees. Yes, public workers may demand fair treatment, wrote Roosevelt. But, he wrote, "I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place" in the public sector. "A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government."

Franklin Roosevelt (who kicked zombie Hitler's ass the first time with his steam powered bazooka firing wheelchair).

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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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Canterbury

... those are both Reagan quotes you dig right ?

The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
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reds8n wrote:... those are both Reagan quotes you dig right ?


Unions fine, government unions are different, and bad.

But this will not cover your royal disgrace. Vampire Queen Victoria's guards will be along shortly.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Canterbury

.. separate but equal .. that'll work.



But this will not cover your royal disgrace.


... ....



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1362380/Prince-Andrew-naked-pool-parties-paedophile-friends-house.html

you ain't pinning this one on me !

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We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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reds8n wrote:

Notice he didn't say anything about a "right to strike" or a "right to shut down businesses."

You're free to join a union, and your employer is free to fire you if you don't show up for work.

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Captain Buzzkill wrote:
reds8n wrote:

Notice he didn't say anything about a "right to strike" or a "right to shut down businesses."


or banana splits, or movies with monkeys or charbroiled nuns, or why bees seem so keen on jam/jelly yet they spend their time making honey, lazy good for nothing soandsos etc etc ad nauseum.

The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
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The Great State of Texas

But there are advantages to being elected President. The day after I was elected, I had my high school grades classified Top Secret.
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. (White House Conference on Small Business, August, 1986.)
How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin. (in Arlington, Virginia, September 25, 1987)
I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself.
I found myself telling every visitor there were absolutely no tape recordings being made. And if they wanted a transcript of that remark, just mention it to the potted plant on their way out. (Speech to Annual CPAC, 1982)
I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I'm in a cabinet meeting.
I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.
I hope you're all Republicans. (To surgeons as he entered the operating room, March, 1981)
I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience. (When doubts were raised if we was too old for re-election)
(in the West Wing of the White House) There's the problem of leaks. Before we even announced the giveaway of surplus cheese, the warehouse mice had hired a lobbyist. (Speech to Annual CPAC, 1982)

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
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Canterbury



.. seemingly an early advocate of both gay rights and a Dr. Who fan then !

The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
Made in us
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Can't tell if trolling...

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The Great State of Texas

biccat wrote:

Can't tell if trolling...

I'm always trolling...oh wait!

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
Made in gb
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Et In Arcadia Ego





Canterbury




Spoiler:
I know, I know.

But jelly beans.. jelly babies.. close enough.



The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
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United States

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Did Reagan really end the cold war?


No.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Does he deserve his reputation for fiscal prudence i.e lowering taxes and reducing federal involvement in trade and commerce.


Christ no. He increased the federal debt every year in office.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Or the arming of various groups/interests in South America?


To be fair, lots of American Presidents did that. Though is single-minded determination to oppose communism did make him oust the democratic Sandinistas. Well, try to.

Frazzled wrote:
Don't be insane. He didn't lock up the air traffic controllers. He fired the bastards for threatening to strike. Government employess have no place being unionized. Even FDR knew that.


Wrong. PATCO walked out, they actually went on strike, which is the only reason he could take action against them at all. This forced the FAA to hire interim controllers, most unqualified (and many who were formerly members of PATCO, despite what Reagan said regarding lifetime bans), while incurring a significant hit to available flights, only reduced by implementing much of what the Union wanted. Ultimately this lead to PATCO's reformation as an independent organization, that can still strike at will because the FAA can no longer afford to lose 50% flight coverage.

Government employees can unionize regardless of what you want, because giant chunks of the public sector walking out of work tend to put a damper on political will with regard to reigning in their demands. That's why Walker's threat of using the National Guard was such a joke. Its a damn shame employers have to listen to their workers, a damn shame.

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reds8n wrote:


Spoiler:
I know, I know.

But jelly beans.. jelly babies.. close enough.




What is this in reference to redy?

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
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Canterbury

.. The "Dr. Who fan" comment above.

The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
 
   
Made in us
5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)




The Great State of Texas


Mmmm...jelly beans

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
Made in gb
Courageous Grand Master




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I take back what I said about loving debate on this forum!

Kudos to Dogma, for the PATCO point. It's interesting to note that the right wing in the UK seems to have more respect for Reagan than Republicans in the USA.

"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd 
   
Made in us
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The Great State of Texas

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I take back what I said about loving debate on this forum!

Kudos to Dogma, for the PATCO point. It's interesting to note that the right wing in the UK seems to have more respect for Reagan than Republicans in the USA.


That would probably be considered incorrect. Reagan is treated as the Second Coming in the Republican Party.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
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Silver Spring, MD

lol, yeah, republicans(myself included) love reagan.

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dajobe wrote:lol, yeah, republicans(myself included) love reagan.


True, though I never understood why. Well, no, I understand, he lowered taxes and made some speeches about the Soviet Union being an evil empire. But he also basically created the political culture of deficit spending that the modern GOP hates ever so much.

You would think that sort of thing would make people turn on him.

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Dajobe, that is exactly the question I'm asking on this forum as it has lots of Americans in it and my class has none. Why do you guys love him?

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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Dajobe, that is exactly the question I'm asking on this forum as it has lots of Americans in it and my class has none. Why do you guys love him?

1. That whole vision thing. For good or ill he stuck to a few important points and kept to it throughout his Presidency. Compare to the current President.

2. Charismatic. He didn't need a telepromptor to talk for two minutes. Compare to the current President.

3. He had a very strong positive view of this country. Compare to the current President.

4. He actually managed to work with the opposite. Reagan and Tip ONeill, althouh disagreeing vociferously on many many topics, actually got things done. Compare to the current President.

5. Vision to win the Cold War. Not just to hold them back, not in 100 years, not in 20 years, but now. Its easy to forget now, but before Reagan the communists were winning.

6. He didn't get us into Iraq but instead Iran vs. Iraq + = PROFIT!

7. That whole 8 million quarters of business growth after the stagflation horror of Obama, er Carter.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
 
   
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Silver Spring, MD

uuummmm, good question, if your in a household where no one ever says anything but good things about someone, your probably going to like them, but as for speceific reasons, i'd say its because he lowered taxes and has the image of destroying the Soviet Union. Now whether he actually did or not, cant really say. He was also for "less government" and cut down the funding of organizations such as EPA and medicaid which are not that popular among many republicans. But overall, i'd say its his image as the killer of the CCCP and how he lowered taxes, people tend to ignore things they dont like.

also, i like your avatar, i dont see nearly as many EPL teams logos as i thought i would originally. personally follow manchester city, saw a few games on tv, and now watch all their games online (usually not on tv), and like my carlos tevez jersey! started watching about 2 years ago, this was a good year! sorry about the off topic...

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captain fantastic wrote: Seems like this thread is all that's left of Remilia Scarlet (the poster).



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Silver Spring, MD

? i like the comic, but missed how it applied to the discussion...that may just be me.

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