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Would a space marine ever have 2 gene-seeds? I am asking this because I currently play Ultramrines and I was planning on making a battle company of Blood Marines or Ultra Angels (Ultramarines and Blood Angels mixed together).

Storm of Iron had a main character who was an Iron Warrior with mixed Iron Warrior/Imperial Fist geneseed.

They never really explain how or why, though.

insaniak wrote:Storm of Iron had a main character who was an Iron Warrior with mixed Iron Warrior/Imperial Fist geneseed.

They never really explain how or why, though.

That's because Iron Warriors are traitors who don't give a rat's ass where their Gene-Seed comes from. Seeing how your marines are not traitors, they wouldn't have mixed Gene-Seed.

Thought it was the process the iron warriors used.
And the fact their own geneseed is most likely too corrupted, plus the irony of IF geneseed...

But surely the "cursed founding" was an attempt to mix geneseeds and didn't turn out as success.

The only fluffy unit with multiple geneseeds would be deathwatch.

Or Grey Knights, no? Aren't they drawn from other chapters?

Gavin Thorne wrote:Or Grey Knights, no? Aren't they drawn from other chapters?

Nope.

coolyo294 wrote:

insaniak wrote:Storm of Iron had a main character who was an Iron Warrior with mixed Iron Warrior/Imperial Fist geneseed.

They never really explain how or why, though.

That's because Iron Warriors are traitors who don't give a rat's ass where their Gene-Seed comes from. Seeing how your marines are not traitors, they wouldn't have mixed Gene-Seed.

Not quite. Honsou is looked down upon for being a half breed.

Not exactly the same thing, but in Blood Gorgons, the renegade chapter of that name 'bonds' battle brothers together by transplanting half of their organs into each other, so its certainly possible to transplant geneseed at a later date (although they say that a lot of brothers dont survive the process, even if they are a compatible match), at the same time it says nothing of transplanting geneseed of two different lineages.

Generally, its not something thats talked about openly, it might have happened during the cursed founding, but the half-bred chapter wouldn't talk about it, nor would the parent chapters. Marines are extremely proud of their primarch/lineage, to mix them would be a heresy in itself...

...its also an extremely poor fluff device for use in your own army.

There was the Relictors, which were made of Ultramarine and Dark Angel geneseed, but its never been stated if it was on an individual basis (as in half the geneseed was of one source and the other half from the other) or if it was chapter wide(as in 500 guys were DA successors the other 500 were ultras). In any case, they have been declared excommunicate traitoris, why I dont know.

d.fear wrote:Would a space marine ever have 2 gene-seeds? I am asking this because I currently play Ultramrines and I was planning on making a battle company of Blood Marines or Ultra Angels (Ultramarines and Blood Angels mixed together).

Possibly, but that would bring a lot of complications. Like trying to give someone A+ and A- blood type in the same time...and that person is B-.

Everyone answering the poll with a no is essentially wrong, due to the fact that it has happened more than once in the fluff, but bad things happened to those chapters that it did happen to.

d.fear wrote:Would a space marine ever have 2 gene-seeds? I am asking this because I currently play Ultramrines and I was planning on making a battle company of Blood Marines or Ultra Angels (Ultramarines and Blood Angels mixed together).

They probably wouldn't have 2 gene-seeds but there have been some efforts into mixing existing gene-seed in an attempt to stabilise one or both and eradicate any flaws. The results have been... well disastrous barely covers it.

This could be an attempt to cure the Flaw if you play the fluff right, but don't say it actually cured it.

Nicholas wrote:This could be an attempt to cure the Flaw if you play the fluff right, but don't say it actually cured it.

This might be a good idea...
Extra mutations would be good for added grimdarkness.

chaos0xomega wrote:Everyone answering the poll with a no is essentially wrong, due to the fact that it has happened more than once in the fluff, but bad things happened to those chapters that it did happen to.

Possible? Yes. Likely? Hah, not for groups of loyalists, let alone from First Founding chapters.

All space marines have 2 Progenoids.

each Progenoid, when harvested, can make 1 new space marine(complete with his 2 progenoids)


it is possable for a chapter to have Geneseed from 2 sources, but because Geneseed simply splits and doesn't mix with other geneseed there would always be individual marines which would be descendent from a particuar line with no mixing from any other lines.

coolyo294 wrote:

Gavin Thorne wrote:Or Grey Knights, no? Aren't they drawn from other chapters?

Nope.

Originally I believe that the answer was 'yes,' actually. The Grey Knights were originally drawn from a handful of Space Marines who had stayed loyal to the Imperium even though their Primarch joined Horus. Having survived the Istvaan III massacre (in various ways) they were hand selected by Malcador the Sigilite to form the militant arm of the Inquisition.


And OP: I answered 'no' and here's why: While technically possible, you should probably avoid it in your own fluff. If you try and go with a 'mixed gene-seed' theory, it starts to get convoluted, and to an outside observer, may seem a bit wacky. In the end, it is your army and your fluff, so do whatever you want to with it. My advice is based purely from a standpoint of getting other people to like and respect it.

the original 8 founding members of the GKs were from other legions, but all those who came after were from the Genestock the GKs used.

It is basically 95% confirmed their geneseed carries the genes of the Emperor.

Pretty much. Whatever the GK geneseed is, it was there on Titan before the arrival of the founders, that it's unique, very pure, and grants of measure of The Emperors power.

Grey Templar wrote:the original 8 founding members of the GKs were from other legions, but all those who came after were from the Genestock the GKs used.

It is basically 95% confirmed their geneseed carries the genes of the Emperor.

To my knowledge it was never ever confirmed anywhere that the Eisenstein loyalist survivors were the founders of the Grey Knights. That always has been and will be fan conjecture.

Not really. It's confirmed as per the Grey Knights codex that they were marines from a variety of Legions. Considering the entire plot following Garro is about him gathering a group of Astartes whilst wearing the Inquisition I on his shoulder, it's hinting fairly strongly at a connection between the two.

All loyalist geneseed carries the genetic imprint of the Emperor, that's why they're Space Marines.

Generally speaking, a successful, stable Successor Chapter is going to draw geneseed from a single parent Chapter, not try to mix about with Space Wolf + Blood Angel seed or Salamander + Dark Angel seed or whatever.

chaos0xomega wrote:There was the Relictors, which were made of Ultramarine and Dark Angel geneseed, but its never been stated if it was on an individual basis (as in half the geneseed was of one source and the other half from the other) or if it was chapter wide(as in 500 guys were DA successors the other 500 were ultras). In any case, they have been declared excommunicate traitoris, why I dont know.

They grew a little too fond using the weaponry of Chaos to fight Chaos.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:the original 8 founding members of the GKs were from other legions, but all those who came after were from the Genestock the GKs used.

It is basically 95% confirmed their geneseed carries the genes of the Emperor.

To my knowledge it was never ever confirmed anywhere that the Eisenstein loyalist survivors were the founders of the Grey Knights. That always has been and will be fan conjecture.

Oath of Moment and Legion of One basically do confirm it.

Garro is going around gathering up marines and he does it wearing PA the color of grey ceramite with the symbol of the sigilite on his vambrace(which happens to be the )


Garro is described as "a Knight caught in the shadows between Light and Dark. a Grey warrior"

this is too convienient to be a concidence.