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Do you have to roll to hit with Jaws of the World Wolf per the new FAQ?

yes, but only once.

Once per use, right?

Yes, once per use. If you miss the power automatically misses.

Just wanted to note that the INAT ruled that no hit roll is required however. Play how you feel is right though.

◊SW.37H.07 – Q: Does Jaws of the World Wolf require
the psyker to make a ‘to hit’ roll to successfully use it?
A: No [clarification].

Noir Eternal wrote:Just wanted to note that the INAT ruled that no hit roll is required however. Play how you feel is right though.

◊SW.37H.07 – Q: Does Jaws of the World Wolf require
the psyker to make a ‘to hit’ roll to successfully use it?
A: No [clarification].

Is this an older ruling or one written in light of the new FAQ?

The various podcasts I've been listening to have made it seemed self-evident that the new FAQ requires a to-hit roll.

They really should just give "Deputy"-badges to jakface and his crew, offer them a discount on all GW stuff they buy and deem them official. Would save so much headaches for everyone. A good portion of the FAQs is already written by them anyway.

thunderingjove wrote:Is this an older ruling or one written in light of the new FAQ?

The various podcasts I've been listening to have made it seemed self-evident that the new FAQ requires a to-hit roll.

Brand new and highlighted in red, with several other rulings on Psychic powers
And there were several of us (myself included) who said with several posts that no to hit roll was required at all.

Someone even made a pretty damn good order of operations chart explaining why it wasn't. I was soo suprised every time someone tried to convince us otherwise.

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Jidmah wrote:They really should just give "Deputy"-badges to jakface and his crew, offer them a discount on all GW stuff they buy and deem them official. Would save so much headaches for everyone. A good portion of the FAQs is already written by them anyway.

Agreed, the way I have interpreted the rules has always been pretty close to what has been put into the INAT.

Noir Eternal wrote:Brand new and highlighted in red, with several other rulings on Psychic powers.

Ugh. I hate that power. Anything to limit it.

I hate the power more than any other Pychic power, I play Crons if you'll notice. But rather than complain about it I just suck it up and play the game and mitigate its use.

Part of playing the game is going against things that are good against your army.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/376017.page

Still on the first page.

No need to bring that mess up again, hopefully everyone can forget about it lol

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Jidmah wrote:They really should just give "Deputy"-badges to jakface and his crew, offer them a discount on all GW stuff they buy and deem them official. Would save so much headaches for everyone. A good portion of the FAQs is already written by them anyway.

Agreed, the way I have interpreted the rules has always been pretty close to what has been put into the INAT.

Ah, I really wouldn't care who ruled it in what way, as long as it makes some sense, and no one could argue it for being unofficial. Right now the INAT FAQ is close to useless to me, as they don't have a german translation and "We're not in Great Brittan here!"-kills any argument, even mistranslations in the ork codex. I have found 52 so far, most notable making deff rollas auto-hit skimmers and nobz in boyz mobs unable to use heavy weapons.
If GW deemed INAT official rules, those people would have no room to wiggle out of it.

Well that justs sucks......

Yeah, I am glad that my Meta in MD accepts the INAT as a standard that everyone follows for things not addressed in the FAQ.

I just wouldn't want to play in a location where people just use whatever rules they want to because it benifits them

Noir Eternal wrote:Well that just sucks......

Yeah, I am glad that my Meta in MD accepts the INAT as a standard that everyone follows for things not addressed in the FAQ.

I just wouldn't want to play in a location where people just use whatever rules they want to because it benefits them

The INAT is a real resource, and we acknowledge it as gospel, essentially; most people want concision, not advantage in rules per se.

However, I do dislike the lack of trial for JOWW; there doesn't require much to ruin your opponent. I'm an Ork player; it really doesn't affect me; nonetheless, I consider it a poorly conceived power, which a to-hit requirement would somewhat fix. This is for another thread, though.

It doesn't? Then your opponent doesn't use it to snipe nobz from all your mobs?

He does, but I can live with it. It's the Tryanid I feel bad for.

Nobz are bad enough... what about your Big Meks?

Even a Warboss is only I3.

Yes, I feel slightly worse for 'Nids against it, but Orks still get the wrong end of the squig-prod on this power.

Yeah, the Big Mek is a killer. Conceptually, the power is stupid. I'm not saying anything not said before though.

it should simply do a wound if the test is failed and not remove the model. that would be alot fairer.

Grey Templar wrote:it should simply do a wound if the test is failed and not remove the model. that would be alot fairer.

Games Workshop never "fixes" anything in their codexes it seems beyond errata and rules clarifications. They never come back and say "Oh wait, we screwed this up... let's make this more powerful / less powerful, etc... which is really a shame.

Even knowing that, every time I've seen a Space Wolves FAQ update, I always hope against hope for something like this.

Warbosses are I4, actually....

Grey Templar wrote:it should simply do a wound if the test is failed and not remove the model. that would be alot fairer.

Er, then it'd kill most ICs 1/2 to 1/3 of the time, and absolutely slaughter any 1W infantry in the game. Everything from Terminators to Seer Council would lose 5/6 models to giant underground magical chasms.

sourclams wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:it should simply do a wound if the test is failed and not remove the model. that would be alot fairer.

Er, then it'd kill most ICs 1/2 to 1/3 of the time, and absolutely slaughter any 1W infantry in the game. Everything from Terminators to Seer Council would lose 5/6 models to giant underground magical chasms.

You see a lot of Terminators or Seer Councils with Initiative 1?

Which is relevant to a wounds test how?

sourclams wrote:Which is relevant to a wounds test how?

So did you just decide to invent that we're now talking about wound tests instead of Initiative tests from Jaws of the World Wolf?

sourclams wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:it should simply do a wound if the test is failed and not remove the model. that would be alot fairer.

Er, then it'd kill most ICs 1/2 to 1/3 of the time, and absolutely slaughter any 1W infantry in the game. Everything from Terminators to Seer Council would lose 5/6 models to giant underground magical chasms.

I meant an Inititive test which, if failed, would cause a wound with saves allowed.

Sourclams, I think you're confused. The suggested change for Jaws is that models hit by Jaws take an initiative test, and suffer a wound instead of being removed from play.

Thanks nos on the Warboss correction. Let's face it, they always go at I1 ANYWAYS don't they?

Murrdox wrote:Sourclams, I think you're confused. The suggested change for Jaws is that models hit by Jaws take an initiative test, and suffer a wound instead of being removed from play.

My bad, read through too fast.

As a necron player i find it intensely annoying, as a necron force really tends to rely on having a lord around.

Any 'blip..you're gone, no save' power that the owner can pass on 10 or below on 2 dice is a bit much. If i had something like that i'd consider it too much also.

SW armies can field 4 models with the power at a time, and 4 jotww will make a mess of ork mobz, because when the nob goes so does the bosspole and the powerklaw (the ork's primary AT weapon).

And yeay, nids are shafted, but then right now that's what they are by most anything. They seem to be the new GW whipping-boys..