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Hq:
Fateweaver
2x Hearld of T on chariot with bolt/WAL/MOS

Elite:
2x4 Curshers all upgrades

Troop:
6x5 Horrors with bolt, one with changeling and another with an icon

Fast attack:
3x3 Screamers

Heavy:
3 Princes with MON wings iron Nocious touch COF and BOC

I personally think that I should drop each prince to MOT/BOLT/GAZE Princes to save A LOT of points to get more squads maybe get some fiends or flamers, or swaps some screamers for some hounds.... please post on this list I really need to get the final result... lol Thanks.

After all my advice!! You need Bolt Princes, Fiends, Plaguebearers, and some Hounds even. All the stuff we have talked about already.

Definitely seconding changing the Princes to Tzeentch.

While HoT chariots are amazing you have no true answer for AV13/14 if you switch to Bolt princes as screamers in small units die and die alot.

The Icon on the Horrors is a point sink as you have 2 one per drop in your crushers which is plenty.

Never been a fan of horrors for obj holding especially in small groups as they will die fast as soon as someone assaults them.

Fiends would be helpful or seekers depending on how much terrain you expect to see as seekers do have gernades and fiends dont. Just remmeber 1 fiend is worth about 2-3 seekers.

But yeah while MoN DPs are amazing assault models the BS5 Bolt MoT DPs are better. Unless of course you stick with the 2 Hots and 6 horrors in which case you'll need some assault.

Just to offer food for thought, a slightly different 2500 points list:

333 Kairos Fateweaver
255 Bloodthirster of Khorne, Blessing of the Bloodgod

280 6 Bloodcrushers of Khorne, Fury of Khorne, Instrument of Chaos, Chaos Icon
190 6 Fiends of Slaanesh, Unholy Might
190 6 Fiends of Slaanesh, Unholy Might

100 5 Pink Horrors, Bolt, Changeling
128 8 Bloodletters of Khorne
128 8 Bloodletters of Khorne
168 12 Daemonettes of Slaanesh

150 10 Flesh Hounds of Khorne
102 6 Seekers of Slaanesh

160 Daemon Prince, Mark of Tzeentch, Bolt of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze
160 Daemon Prince, Mark of Tzeentch, Bolt of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze
155 Daemon Prince, Mark of Slaanesh, Aura of Acquiescence, Iron Hide, Pavane of Slaanesh

2499

More models, bigger emphasis on CC, far greater mobilty. I'd prefer a list like this. But then I'm no fan of 6x5 Horrors and Screamers at this pointlevel...

Good luck at ArdBoys!

Cilithan

K new list:

Hq
Fateweaver
Bloodthrister

Elite
2x4 bloodcurshers

troops:
6x5 horror with bolt, one with changeling.

Fast attack:
3x10 hounds

heavy
3 MOT bolt gaze princes.

Awesome! It'll do great. Just one question: no Fiends?

Cilithan

Well, the only reason why I didn't put fiends in is because Im going to convert the hole army to all tzeentch and I can't think of an idea for them. The one I can think of is what im going to use for my crushers. Horrors on screamers....

Oh I notice in my codex that karanak make his unit an elite choice and was think I could do this....

Hq
Fateweaver
Bloodthrister Blessing of the blod god

elites:
2x4 crushers all upgrades
1x8 hounds with karanak

troop:
6x5 horrors with bolt

Fast attack:
3x8 hounds

heavy
MOT/ BOLT prince x3 (Had to drop gazes to get the extra hounds)

I throught that would help out alot. 4 hound units is a lot of speed running around with a thristers and then 10 bolts of changes and crushers slowly walknig up for a second wave of assualt.
Also, againist GK I could put the hounds and the BT with fateweavers! 2++ rerollable lol.

No durable troops? No Might on the 'Thirster? All Hounds, no Screamers or Seekers? I don't think you are factoring in our metagame too well or considering your best options. I get you want to go for a theme, but for 'Ard Boyz that doesn't matter -save that for friendly games. I will send you a list or two later and explain their uses and benefits in our meta.

K I think this is the most competetive list it can be, but.... I don't like it lol

Hq
Fateweaver
Bloodthrister Botg, unholy might

Elites
2x4 crushers all upgrades
1x6 fiends

troops
4x5 horrors with bolt, one with changeling
2x5 PB

Fast attack:
1x8 seekers
1x7 seekers
1x6 screamers

Heavy
3 MOT/BOLT Princes


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Or this

Hq
Fateweaver
Bloodthrister botbg UM

Elite:
2x6 fiends
1x6 bloodcrushers

troops
6x5 horrors with bolt, one with changeling another with icon

fast attack:
1x10 seekers

heavy:
3 princes with MOT/BOLT/GAZE


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What do you guys thnk about 1x6 man squad of Bloodcrusher with fateweaver?


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Cilithan wrote:Just to offer food for thought, a slightly different 2500 points list:

333 Kairos Fateweaver
255 Bloodthirster of Khorne, Blessing of the Bloodgod

280 6 Bloodcrushers of Khorne, Fury of Khorne, Instrument of Chaos, Chaos Icon
190 6 Fiends of Slaanesh, Unholy Might
190 6 Fiends of Slaanesh, Unholy Might

100 5 Pink Horrors, Bolt, Changeling
128 8 Bloodletters of Khorne
128 8 Bloodletters of Khorne
168 12 Daemonettes of Slaanesh

150 10 Flesh Hounds of Khorne
102 6 Seekers of Slaanesh

160 Daemon Prince, Mark of Tzeentch, Bolt of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze
160 Daemon Prince, Mark of Tzeentch, Bolt of Tzeentch, Daemonic Gaze
155 Daemon Prince, Mark of Slaanesh, Aura of Acquiescence, Iron Hide, Pavane of Slaanesh

2499

More models, bigger emphasis on CC, far greater mobilty. I'd prefer a list like this. But then I'm no fan of 6x5 Horrors and Screamers at this pointlevel...

Good luck at ArdBoys!

Cilithan

What do you think about this?

Hq
Fateweaver
Bloodthrister BOTBG UM

ELites:
1x6 Crushers full command
2x6 Fiends

Troops
6x5 horrors with bolt, one with changeling

fast attack:
not sure yet

Heavy
3 princes with MOT BOLT and GAZE

K that is 2303 points, I have the bloodthrister in there becasue im spamming horrors with bolt so a bolt hearld if really needed when the thrister is my only AV 14 answer. Also, I don't have any fast attack yet.... but I have 197 points to play with, maybe seekers, screamers.. idk. Also, what do you guys think about 1 unit of 6 crushers with fateweaver instead of 2x4, I thnk the extra fiends will be worth it.

My ard boys list roughly is going to be,

Fateweaver
2x Chariots of tzeentch

6x Bloodcrushers full command
6x Bloodcrushers full command
6x fiends might

7x plaguemarines
7x plaguemarines
7x plaguemarines

14x Seekers

3x princes, mot, bolt, wings and gaze

What do you guys think about a squad of 8 crushers? I know its a massive footprint, but its only 1 elite choice and I can get more fiends with it.

Hq:
Fateweaver
Bloodthrister Botbg UM

Elite
1x8 curshers with full command
2x6 fiends

troops;
6x5 horrors with bolt, one with changeling

fast attack:
None atm

Heavy
3 MOT/BOLT/GAZE princes

Im at 2383 points atm, but don't know what to do with it..... any throughts? Maybe try to get winged princes and switch the thrister to MOT hearlds?