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Alright my fellow Dakka readers here on YMDC, I have a situation to be resolved. Let's say I have a group of GH with a wolf standard. This group of Grey Hunters move through dangerous terrain and the standard bearing GH fails his save. Can I activate my wolf standard and still gain the effects in the next assault phase?

I'm thinking that since it doesn't say any restrictions upon when you use the banner and that their isn't any conditions with the effect the banner causes.

Alright, I am refering to pg. 62 of SW:C and since I'm not too sure on how Dakka likes quotes from the book... I'm going to quotethe book in a spoiler warning. If this isn't allowed I will edit it out or a MOD can do it, doesn't phase me XD It's just a way to get the opinions from non SW players who don't have the codex to see it themselves.


In the above example, the unit is activating the banner does have the banner upon activation, but then the banner is gone. The book says nothing about the banner being required for the effect just that it is needed for the activation. This is my understanding. What do you think?

You are correct, you may activate it at any point. even after wound alication for any phase even if you are currently in combat & you fail his save (say its caught in a sweeping advance & fails its no retreat wound thus being locked in combat for another turn) you may activate it.

1) You must activate it a phase before the assault phase you want to use it in.

2) It states " a unit that includes a wolf standard ..." and then the effect requires "that unit"

By the time you get to the assault phase "that unit" no longer contains a wolf standard.

That Unit referres to the unit he was in when it was activated not when it resolves.

Every wargear and special rule I can think of requires the model possessing it to be around when its benefit is used. Reference the answer about Sanguinary Priests/blood chalices in the BA FAQ- even if the priest was in range when they assaulted, if the priest is dead or out of range before they swing, the models don't get the beneifts of Furious Assault.

I agree that the unit won't benefit if the guy with the standard is dead.

I still think that when it comes to the effect staying around after the banner bearer has died, the effect sould stand. Looking at it from a theatrical perspective, seeing the banner carrier die while lifting the banner would be rather inspiring and a very suitable way to call upon the power of the wolf ;p

what you think & what I know are 2 different things/ if that had been the case then you would only be able to trigger it on the assault phase. But Im not the only Wolf player here. Im sure you will here from some shortly.

Norserune wrote: This group of Grey Hunters move through dangerous terrain and the standard bearing GH fails his save. Can I activate my wolf standard and still gain the effects in the next assault phase?

I would say no to this, simply because the moment the standard bearer fails that DT test, he's dead. You have no opportunity to activate the banner at that point.


Oh, and for future reference, quoting relevant rules for discussion is fine. We just ask that people only post what is actually relevant to the discussion.

insaniak wrote:
I would say no to this, simply because the moment the standard bearer fails that DT test, he's dead. You have no opportunity to activate the banner at that point.

So what happends in the case given & he instead decides to use it before he fails his save? so it wont work in the next assault phase? (whenever that may be)

How many of your that disagree actually play Wolves? (Just curious)

I do admit I was fetching a little in my scenario, but I couldn't determine another way to set up a simple scenario where the banner would be activated only for the guy to die before the next assault phase. >.<

WeeDawgNYC wrote:That Unit referres to the unit he was in when it was activated not when it resolves.

"that unit" no longer has a wolf standard when you try to actually use its effects

My husband plays wolves, and he agrees. I would suggest not implying that it is only non-SW players that believe the banner has to be around for it to be any use.

Linguistically, it is the same unit. The test is at the time of activation, strictly speaking and it gives a subsequent affect. However, GW is really murky on timing issues, so there is no real way to tell.

By the RAW, there is no limitation on triggering it other than "Once per game" and that the unit "contain[ing] a Wolf Standard" so if those are met, it may be activated. The effect seems to happen so long as "that unit" is around. There is no rule that I am aware of that makes it a different unit- other wise it would cause a whole host of other issues.

I really wish GW would address timing and pulses, auras, etc. in a coherent and consistent manner.

When you get to the assault phase that unit no longer contains a wolf standard, so is no longer "the unit that contains a wolf standard" from when you activated it.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

My husband plays wolves, and he agrees. I would suggest not implying that it is only non-SW players that believe the banner has to be around for it to be any use.

Amusingly enough, if the DT test is in the assault phase and you activated the banner before he moved, you could have rerolled that DT test to let him live.

Yep, another thing the banner of cheese^W not-at-all-too-cheap lets you do.