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I want to get peoples take on which unit they believe is better. Pros and Cons I've been using a squad of 14 seekers for about the past year now in my competitive list. But with the new abundance of Grey Knight players as of recent. I've started to look more into maybe swapping them out for a unit of flesh hounds.


Pros and Cons from the top of my head,

Flesh hounds-
Pros- 2 plus Invu. against force weapons, and psyhic powers. Easy to tar-pit grey knight units that i dont want to deal with (terminators-paladins, large units)
T4, furious charge. move thru cover. Karanka has rending. Can still hold there own around normal infantry

Cons- no grenades. smaller unit size

Seekers-
Pros- High Intiv. lots of attacks. rending. Have both types of grenades

Cons- Low Toughness, low strength

I prefer Flesh hounds, because of their surivivablity. Most people at my FLGS play MEQ's so I need a good unit to tarpit some of the nastier things.

I'd still keep the seekers, the increased movement is brilliant and rending is great if you need to charge termies (not paladins) and the 2++ from BoTBG on the hounds will never really kick in.

And Psybolts on GK's mean the increased toughness doesn't really help at all, then again wounding on 3+ compared to 2+

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:I'd still keep the seekers, the increased movement is brilliant and rending is great if you need to charge termies (not paladins) and the 2++ from BoTBG on the hounds will never really kick in.

And Psybolts on GK's mean the increased toughness doesn't really help at all, then again wounding on 3+ compared to 2+

Flesh hounds move as fast as seekers. Against Grey Knights the hounds will almost always have a 2 plus save. Even against psybolts as its a psychic power

Psybolts is not a psychic power, its a weapon upgrade Italiaplaya.

Also flesh hounds don't get Hit and run, or I6 allowing striking before knights with halberds, or equal with.

yeah seekers are win

hounds don't have rending and cost more (I think :?) and lets face it, that "++ is never really going to help you as any player with sense will be saving his powers for bigger beasties

Hounds get furious, plus they have the upgrade for Karanak. He also get furious and lots of attacks. Think of it this way, if you had the flesh hounds fight the seekers who would win? It would be close but suppose the hounds got the charge.. that changes things up in favor of the hounds I have 24 hounds and they MOW down necron squads and get A LOT of sweeping advances.

I tend to use them more as tank hunters as rending is very nice indeed (they killed an eldar lynx the other day XD) but they are also pretty good at killing wraith lords where as hounds, well.......

the whole "if this daemon attacked that daemon" argument isnt very effective as it only really applies to how many attacks each side has, not to mention that each are better in different situations. I would say that it would be a close fight too but how many dogs would die before they got to attack?

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:Psybolts is not a psychic power, its a weapon upgrade Italiaplaya.

Also flesh hounds don't get Hit and run, or I6 allowing striking before knights with halberds, or equal with.

Ah, mixed up powers. Even so seekers dont have hit and run either. Hounds, if they charge are I5 because of furious charge, so swing first in combat against most things.)
I use seekers as it is now. I just feel like hounds could actually come in handy now with the bigger show of Grey knights out there. And can still hold there own against other units.

I think I might have to try out a unit of flesh hounds.