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I'm getting some DE models shortly and I really, really, REALLY want to try to use Vect...

So that I can say that I'm FETHING ASTRUBAEL VECT!!!!

I think this could be semi-competitive, but critiques are welcome!

HQ:
-Fething Astrubael Vect! + his lamborghini... er, meant his Dias of Destruction! (I mean...come on... he's a monster ) 440 pts
--Haemonculus w/ Hex Rifle 65 pts

ELITES:
-3x Kaballite Trueborn w/ 3x Blasters + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 146 pts
-3x Kaballite Trueborn w/ 3x Blasters + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 146 pts
-3x Kaballite Trueborn w/ 3x Blasters + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 146 pts

TROOPS:
-8x Wyches + 1x Hekatrix w/ Agonizer all with Haywire 'nade 138 pts (Vect's harem)
-7x Wyches + 1x Hekatrix w/ Agonizer all with Haywire 'nades + Raider w/ Flickerfield and DL 184 pts
-5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1xBlaster + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 125 pts
-5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1xBlaster + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 125 pts
-5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1xBlaster + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 125 pts

HEAVY:
-Ravager w/ triple DL + Flickerfield 115 pts
-Ravager w/ triple DL + Flickerfield 115 pts
-Ravager w/ triple DL + Flickerfield 115 pts

1997 pts... DE don't need that xtra 3 points!

Let's recap the firepower:
25 lance shots (13x DL at 36'' and 12x Blaster at 18'')
84 poison shots (72x Splinter Cannon at 36'' and 12x Splinter Rifle at 24'')

Assault Element:
Vect goes into his pimped ride with his harem and Haemmy goes into the single raider.

What do you all think?

Thanks for answering the questions below...

Two questions for Dakkaites:
1) Since the Splinter Cannon don't have a Str, can I still fire both cannons even if I move the venom more than 6 inches? Is it still considered a defensive weapon?

2) Since the Raiders need to get relatively close to "some squad" to disembark it's wyches, would it make more sense to put Disintegrators on the Raiders? My thoughts are that against MEQ or Termies, 3x Str 5 ap2 is more effective than a single DL shot. Or is it a moot point with all the Splinter shots I'll have? What's your opinion?

whembly wrote:
Two questions for Dakkaites:
1) Since the Splinter Cannon don't have a Str, can I still fire both cannons even if I move the venom more than 6 inches? Is it still considered a defensive weapon?

2) Since the Raiders need to get relatively close to "some squad" to disembark it's wyches, would it make more sense to put Disintegrators on the Raiders? My thoughts are that against MEQ or Termies, 3x Str 5 ap2 is more effective than a single DL shot. Or is it a moot point with all the Splinter shots I'll have? What's your opinion?

First off, props on the list. Very well balanced with a nod to shooty and meele.

To answer your questions -
1 - You can move 12 inches and fire all splinter weaponry. Note that the passengers can only fire if the venom moves 6.
2 - I've always have been underwhelmed with disintegrators. The strength 5 really kills it for me. In reality you're going to want the stopping power to instagib t4 models and have anti tank more than the anti infantry punch of a dis. cannon. And you're right, with all that splinter fire it is a moot point.

Night's Blood wrote:

First off, props on the list. Very well balanced with a nod to shooty and meele.

To answer your questions -
1 - You can move 12 inches and fire all splinter weaponry. Note that the passengers can only fire if the venom moves 6.
2 - I've always have been underwhelmed with disintegrators. The strength 5 really kills it for me. In reality you're going to want the stopping power to instagib t4 models and have anti tank more than the anti infantry punch of a dis. cannon. And you're right, with all that splinter fire it is a moot point.

Thanks!
1 - w00t! That's a sweet load of splintery goodness!
2 - I see your point... with that many poison weapon, "volume of fire" is a viable tactic against tough infantry.

Does anyone else have any comment?

I know it's a "no-no" in a competative setting, but how would you sneak in Vect's Dias of Distruction into a list like that? What would you drop??

Very nice list. I would offer a few very minor changes based on my personal experiences and preferences:

Take a liquefier only for your haemonculus. If he's soloing in the raider (as he should) after he drops off the wyches, then a liquefier gun will give him something to do for the whole game, as opposed to a shattershard which is a one-hit wonder. I've never had much success with the shattershard. Also, a haemonculus is not a strong solo melee character, so in my opinion he shouldn't need a venom blade. If he's in close combat, he's going to die anyway, so why waste the points?

For your wyches, why not drop the hydra gauntlets in favour of nine wyches in each squad? I'm sure you're familiar with the argument for an extra wych vs. hydra gauntlets.

Btw, I definitely expected to see the Dais of Destruction in this list since it is FETHING ASDRUBAEL VECT after all . He needs the pimped out ride. To afford this, I would drop your trueborn squads down to three and drop a couple of wyches off the haemy wych squad (and the hydra gauntlets off both squads if you haven't dropped them yet). the DoD is lots of fun for sure...keep in mind you'll need 9 wyches to go with him.

thunderpanda wrote:Very nice list. I would offer a few very minor changes based on my personal experiences and preferences:

Take a liquefier only for your haemonculus. If he's soloing in the raider (as he should) after he drops off the wyches, then a liquefier gun will give him something to do for the whole game, as opposed to a shattershard which is a one-hit wonder. I've never had much success with the shattershard. Also, a haemonculus is not a strong solo melee character, so in my opinion he shouldn't need a venom blade. If he's in close combat, he's going to die anyway, so why waste the points?

For your wyches, why not drop the hydra gauntlets in favour of nine wyches in each squad? I'm sure you're familiar with the argument for an extra wych vs. hydra gauntlets.

Btw, I definitely expected to see the Dais of Destruction in this list since it is FETHING ASDRUBAEL VECT after all . He needs the pimped out ride. To afford this, I would drop your trueborn squads down to three and drop a couple of wyches off the haemy wych squad (and the hydra gauntlets off both squads if you haven't dropped them yet). the DoD is lots of fun for sure...keep in mind you'll need 9 wyches to go with him.

Good point on the Haemy... have you tried the hex rifle? or, is the liquefier the way to go? It seems to me that if I want to keep the haemy out of cc combat, then a liquefier is a bit dangerous since he'd have to get close to be effective. On the other hand, with the hex rifle, he can stay in his ride, or drop off in cover somewhere plinking targets. I'm gonna chew on this a bit.

I added the hydra guantlet thinking I'd need a bit more punch. Remember it's 8 wyches PLUS an agonizer Hekatrix, thus 9-man squad so that I can add vect/haemmy to that unit.

As for the Dias... lemme try out what you're suggesting to see if I can make the points work. He definately needs his pimped out ride! Xzibit ain't got nuth'n with Vect's ride!


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Okay... here's a list based on suggestions that'll include's Vect's Pimp'ed out ride... what do ya'll think?

HQ:
-Fething Astrubael Vect! + his lamborghini... er, meant his Dias of Destruction! 440 pts
-Haemonculus w/ Hex Rifle 65 pts

ELITES:
-3x Kaballite Trueborn w/ 3x Blasters + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 146 pts
-3x Kaballite Trueborn w/ 3x Blasters + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 146 pts
-3x Kaballite Trueborn w/ 3x Blasters + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 146 pts

TROOPS:
-8x Wyches + 1x Hekatrix w/ Agonizer all with Haywire 'nades 138 pts (Vect's harem)
-6x Wyches + 1x Hekatrix w/ Agonizer all with Haywire 'nades + Raider w/ Flickerfield and DL 184 pts
-5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1xBlaster + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 125 pts
-5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1xBlaster + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 125 pts
-5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1xBlaster + Venom w/ xtra Splinter Cannon 125 pts

HEAVY:
-Ravager w/ triple DL + Flickerfield 120 pts
-Ravager w/ triple DL + Flickerfield 120 pts
-Ravager w/ triple DL + Flickerfield 120 pts

2000 pts on the nose STILL!

Let's recap the firepower:
25 lance shots (14x DL at 36'' and 12x Blaster at 18'') almost same as original list, but got 3 more longer ranged DL
84 poison shots (72x Splinter Cannon at 36'' and 12x Splinter Rifle at 24'') same as original

Assault Element:
Vect goes into his pimped ride with his harem and Haemmy goes into the single raider.

Thoughts on this list??

I'm pretty sure Vect's harem needs an extra girl. From memory, the Dais' rules state that Vect must be accompanied by a full complement of nine folks in order to fill up the Dais' carrying capacity.

Saldiven wrote:I'm pretty sure Vect's harem needs an extra girl. From memory, the Dais' rules state that Vect must be accompanied by a full complement of nine folks in order to fill up the Dais' carrying capacity.

Your memory is good,but you misunderstand Whembly's notation: that's 8 Wyches AND a Hekatrix (so 9 in total), not 8 Wyches INCLUDING a Hekatrix. So Vect has just the right number of girls to fill out his ride.

I have to say, I like this list very much. Very very much. So much that I might just run off and steal it whilst saying "Hrm? Why yhaaas, yhaaas, it is indeed entwrirely my hidea, yhaaas, yhaaas, wery inventive if I do say so myself eh what?"

I like it. Vect is hard to fit in a list, but the rest of it seems very practical so it could work.

I think you have the ravager costs wrong though. They should be 105+10=115.

automatonsleuth wrote:

Saldiven wrote:I'm pretty sure Vect's harem needs an extra girl. From memory, the Dais' rules state that Vect must be accompanied by a full complement of nine folks in order to fill up the Dais' carrying capacity.

Your memory is good,but you misunderstand Whembly's notation: that's 8 Wyches AND a Hekatrix (so 9 in total), not 8 Wyches INCLUDING a Hekatrix. So Vect has just the right number of girls to fill out his ride.

I have to say, I like this list very much. Very very much. So much that I might just run off and steal it whilst saying "Hrm? Why yhaaas, yhaaas, it is indeed entwrirely my hidea, yhaaas, yhaaas, wery inventive if I do say so myself eh what?"

Yeah...I meant 8 wyches plus a hekatrix totaling 9 models.

Lol...u can "borrow" my list... but you better provide Vect hiis tithe of souls!


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ph34r wrote:I like it. Vect is hard to fit in a list, but the rest of it seems very practical so it could work.

I think you have the ravager costs wrong though. They should be 105+10=115.

I think I'm on to something here...

As to the ravager cost, I don't have my codex in front of me so ill take your word on it.. that'll be good because the points saved would allow me to add another wych to the raider squad.

I know that lone raider may seem out of place, but I like having at least 2 assaulty element in this list.... thoughts???

Very, very nice list. This might make a good GK killer.

Yeah, I'm a fan of your second version there! ph34r is right, the ravager points are off. turns out you can actually fit in another wych into the haemy squad

Also, if you're dropping off the haemy in cover and you have that extra raider lying around not doing a lot afterward, then consider adding shock prow to it. No one expects a ram from a paper airplane and it can ruin even a land raider's day!

Edited list in original post as #3

@ph34r: Thanks for catching the Ravager points. It's fixed now and I have enough to bump up the Haemmy Raider's Wych squad up to 8 Wych models!

@thunderpanda: Does the shockprow really work? Has anyone used them effectively? If I use them, then I'd have to shave some points off somewhere... I'm considering dropping the haemmy off the list altogether and use the saved points to max out the Raider Wych squad... I could then entertain putting shockprow on the lone raider / all ravager and still have points left over to add hydra guantlet to both wych squads... *pondering*

Shock prow is good for two things. One, you can tank shock to push enemies into a line so that you can shattershard them. Two, you can do that so that you can assault the end of the line with all your wyches and avoid as many return attacks as possible by being out of base to base.

Yes the shock prow really works. You can generate a S9 or S10 ram if you plan well enough. Combined that with enhanced aethersails and you're golden. You can avoid the return damage with flickerfield, however it's not like it matters too much since the raider would be empty anyway. If it survives, keep it around to contest objectives.

It's very good thread!!!

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I'm not going to lie, when I saw the title of the thread I thought this was going to be terrible. However, I was pleasantly surprised-- your list looks to be quite strong. The one thing I would say is that the Hexrifle may not be the best weapon available-- I would suggest using a Shattershard or Liquifier Gun instead.

i would consider dropping the haemy and a few wyches to squeeze the barron in, that would be a true alpha strike list
but looks very nice already - might try it as well