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Banshee mask gives banshees an initiative 10, but the lash whip its enemies initiative 1. Which over powers the other?



Discuss.

Shouldn't this be in "You Make The Call" rather than "Tactics?"

...And I'd say to roll off on that one. Easiest way to handle two contradictory pieces of wargear.

Whoever mentions it last wins! It would be like reverse chicken.

Rolling off sounds like a decent way, without me looking very closely at the wordings.

I believe that its already covered in a FAQ. Banshee mask wins. BUT since Nids have a such a crummy codex you should let the nids player have his way. Your still gonna win so what does it matter.

Oops hes right, please move as needed Gms, my girlfriend suddenly asked me this and I was hoping to know before the hive tyrant has a chance to come down on any banshees.

Heres the wording from Eldar and Tyranid codexes:
Banshee Mask: In the first round of an assault a model wearing a banshee mask has Initiative 10 and negates any Initiative bonus conferred by cover and grenades.

"Lash Whip: Any enemy model that is in base contact with the tyranid with one or more lash whips counts their initiative value as one until the end of the assault phase, regardless of their actual initiative value."

I suppose that for the first round of the assault the banshees go first, then for the rest of the combat the banshees would have one, but once again does the lash whip over power this?



Note that both Banshees and the hive tyrant have initiative 5 on their profile.

It's in the tyranid FAQ

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1490299a_FAQ_Tyranids_2010.pdf

Lashwhips reduce initiative to 1 before any modifiers are applied. So banshees still go to I10 on the first round of combat.