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Do you need to state every target of every weapon on board before rolling the first dice? i.e. a fireplan...

No. Count each weapon as a separate unit. Declare and resolve each shot before moving onto the next weapon.

-cgmckenzie

I don't see anything in the Apoc rulebook to suggest superheavies can go without declaring all targets before shooting. A Baneblade is one unit even if it can shoot as many targets as it has guns.

Doing it one at a time is probably easier in every way, ofc. Less hassle in keeping everything straight while waiting to resolve all the shooting.

@ cgm
I disagree.

While the Super Heavy rules allows for separate targeting, it does not change the fundamental rule of calling all firing for a given unit.

The Baneblade is still a single unit.

The sentence for Super Heavies shooting is;

Apocalypse II
"Each weapon may be fired at a different target (each target must be within the weapon's fire arc)".

That is the only exception given to Super Heavies from the normal shooting rules (apart from being able to fire all weapons regardless of how far the vehicle has moved).

All the firing happens simultaneously, so you could open up LOS through a destroyed titan or something, but there is nowhere to suggest that you have to declare where each weapon is firing at the beginning of the phase.

For my shadowsword, I just move from sponsons, sponson las, hull HB, then volcano cannon. Nobody has ever had a problem with that, in fact all the Apoc games I have played with, all super heavies are played that way.

I can't think of any other units that can multifire besides super heavies, but if there is one, the rules for that would apply.

-cgmckenzie

cgmckenzie wrote:All the firing happens simultaneously, so you could open up LOS through a destroyed titan or something,...

Isn't there a contradiction implied in this?

Steelmage99 wrote:


Isn't there a contradiction implied in this?

I agree

cgmackenzie wrote:

I can't think of any other units that can multifire besides super heavies, but if there is one, the rules for that would apply

Longfangs?

Anything with Power of the Machine Spirit can multi-fire as well, and you have to declare all shooting for that unit before rolling any dice.

If there is no exception for super heavies they need to abide by this as well.

You must declare all shooting before you fire any weapon, same as with any other unit you MUST declare what is shooting, and at what

With Longfangs you must declare if you are splitting fire and at what targets before rolling to hit.

I would assume superheavies work the same way

cgmckenzie wrote:..., but there is nowhere to suggest that you have to declare where each weapon is firing at the beginning of the phase.

The regular shooting rules require you to declare all shooting from a unit at once, and nothing in the Super Heavy rules over-rides this.

cgmckenzie wrote:Declare and resolve each shot before moving onto the next weapon.

Indeed. After declaring all targeting,one RESOLVES the shots one at a time, not all at once, but it shouldn't actually make a difference.

While I've been playing it differently, I agree that RAW imply that a superheavy must indeed hvae a fire plan.

Of course, Apoc is Apoc, and the rule interps will vary.

Thank you very much for all the replies; but would anyone care to quote and give the page & paragraph that states a firing unit that has multiple unit target capabilities must declare all individual fires of that unit before firing the first shot. I know this is an Apoc unit and I have been told that the unit in particular( Baneblade) follows rules for all other vehicles of 40k,but...

I've been handed P16/bottom para of the rule book in essence of my question. It states simply ..."this must be declared before checking range, as all models in the unit fire at the same time". This is also with a unit that has to fire all its weapons at the same target.
I was also told to use P58 in relation to this ruling..." VEHICLES SHOOTING, When a vehicle fires, it normally uses its own BS characteristics and shoots like other units - all its weapons must fire at a single target unit". Forgive me I'm confused, I don't see anything here stating I need to Declare ALL targets before rolling the the first dice for the first target.
Please enlighten...

Look at the shooting summary.

You are told to go through this once for a given unit and then pick another unit to shoot with.

Steelmage99 wrote:Look at the shooting summary.

You are told to go through this once for a given unit and then pick another unit to shoot with.

What page I see a "shooting sequence" but no shooting summary, sorry...

jb1 wrote:Thank you very much for all the replies; but would anyone care to quote and give the page & paragraph that states a firing unit that has multiple unit target capabilities must declare all individual fires of that unit before firing the first shot.

There is no rule that specifically applies such a restriction on units that can fire at multiple targets... but since there is no rule that changes the normal rule that requires you to declare your target before rolling to hit, or the rule on all shooting from the unit being simultaneous, those normal rules will still apply.

jb1 wrote:Thank you very much for all the replies; but would anyone care to quote and give the page & paragraph that states a firing unit that has multiple unit target capabilities must declare all individual fires of that unit before firing the first shot. I know this is an Apoc unit and I have been told that the unit in particular( Baneblade) follows rules for all other vehicles of 40k,but...

I've been handed P16/bottom para of the rule book in essence of my question. It states simply ..."this must be declared before checking range, as all models in the unit fire at the same time". This is also with a unit that has to fire all its weapons at the same target.
I was also told to use P58 in relation to this ruling..." VEHICLES SHOOTING, When a vehicle fires, it normally uses its own BS characteristics and shoots like other units - all its weapons must fire at a single target unit". Forgive me I'm confused, I don't see anything here stating I need to Declare ALL targets before rolling the the first dice for the first target.
Please enlighten...

You're thinking about it the wrong way around. You have to provide a rule stating that a unit capable of firing at multiple targets can ignore the default shooting sequence.

See page 15 of the rulebook. The only part of the shooting sequence that multiple targetting changes is the "pick a target" part. Once you've resolved the whole shooting sequence for a unit, you MUST pick a different unit and go from there; you can't go back to the same unit and go through the sequence again to fire different weapons.

Thank you all . . .