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This is the Ork vehicle. a "regular" sized vehicle but. since it's Ork thing, standardization doesn't exists.

but...

As i've played Final Liberation before. (and occasionally visited GW Epic pages), there were couple of Ork vehicles that's either looks like, or functions like a conventional Main Battle Tank (it maybe inferior to Imperial Leman Russ, in that game, a squadron of Leman Russ MBT (3 vehicles) had successfully decimated a company of Ork MBT (can't remember that name but it's krusher/rippa thing, the Ork vehicle was armed with turret-mounted battlecannon and it looks EXACTLY like modern MBT), but the design was much more appeal to me). later when it comes it Epic Armageddon, those Ork vehicles are now collectively called Gunwagons.

However, when Forgeworld design team created Gunwagons for orks. the vehicle became EITHER halftrack thingy (engines are still installed at the rear. as any MBT does) OR Stug SPG. i say SPG because FW designs have no traversible turrets for its main guns. even if the fully enclosed top version exists.

so here comes the questions.
1. What are the functions of the Ork gunwagons?
2. Is it "codex" vehicle? i've saw different Ork kitbash/scratchbuilt/converted vehicles made in 28mm scale called gunwagons (and it said as such) throughout the Internet and the vehicle exists in two versions.
2.1 SPG Gunwagon, sometimes even Stugs became Gunwagon!
2.2 MBT Gunwagon, the designs that have fully traversible Battlecannon turret, usually made of either Leman Russ or Basilisks (sometimes SM Predator was also used) mixed with Ork trucks, the conversion is neat enough to classify them as original ork vehicle instead of being a looted one.
In your opinion. DO YOU really think that Ork uses Gunwagon in the same way IG uses Leman Russ? if Gunwagon and Looted tank were different things/concepts entirely
3. Do orks also uses Gunwagons as troop carrier? AFAIK Orks have no real concepts of APC while Imperium does in every branches. Ork standard transport was a truck (usually MG mounted), or should we also call them Technicals? while a superheavy vehicle. Battlewagon (the most recent material said that Battlewagon and Gunwagon are of different concepts entirely due to the size criterion) has the two functions in one vehicle
- Heavy tank
- Troop transport

Example of Epic gunwagons

Courtesy of Aquahog's Tabletop blog

If i remember right Gunwagons were in one of the early early Imperial Armor books. I want to say IA 2....

Epic had a bunch of cool tanks that didn't transfer into the codex. Several of them are mentioned as being Battlewagon variants in the codex (or at least the names are) while others could be made from Looted Wagon rules (like the Bowelburna)

I miss playing epic. I had a Lungbursta (bottom left) fleet for jollies, and a fair few other odd orky vehicles..

^ If this is an ork MBT (and has a size of regular Imperial vehicle). and the 28mm scale standard is called Battlewagon. what was EPIC's name?

Is there any other Battlewagon variants being made to fight like Imperial Leman Russ? (with sponson weapons and bow HB) but with different aesthetics? what are the names of such variants in the Ork vocab?

usually the ork fans built battlewagons as large as any imperial superheavy tanks (like Baneblade. someone even uses Baneblade chassis to build a Battlewagon).

And what is the IG reaction if they manage to 'neutralize' those Ork vehicles. What will they do next?
a. leave the wrecks behind
b. salvage it for scraps.
c. rebuild and turn it against the Orks. pretty much the same way Orks fight the IG
Do Imperial forces loot ork vehicles?

I don't think the IG would bother to loot an ork vehicle. some background on orks shows that some of the most deadly ork machines made work simply because the orks think they do. entire guns can be a long barrelt connected to an ampty box poorly skrewed together yet thanks to the psychic energies of the waaaaagh it shoots but only in the hands of an ork. itf they had the parts and knew the base model of it they might be able to salvage but they'd have to pretty much undo everythign the orks did to it

That's the job of the whole ARV vehicles with a full team of techpriests and servitors!!!

true, but think about it. you have a vehicle that was thrashed by the orks, it somehow was destroyed either wrecked best case scenario or exploded. and given ork str hits likely hit by multiple things before going. then you have a ork bgi mek throwing out parts and adding stuff left and right. its kind like the debate of you can buy a new ar for $30,000, or get a used car the same year that was in a wreck for free, btu it needs $45,000 in repairs due to being thrown into a wall at 100 mph catcing fire then rolled into a lake to put it out, then given to a welding student to play with as scrap metal, who installs the engine in on the roof, welds everything on for funsies and desides to extend the fram with rebar because it will look cooler that way ... which do you get

Well in IA8 there are two ork vehicles, one called a Gunwagon and one called a Bigtrakk. Both have transport capabilities and can mount big gunz, gunwagon having more armor while the big trakk can have bigger weapons (such as a shorter, direct only earthshaker)

According to the fluff, gunwagons are mass produced vehicles on ork enslaved/tithing planets while bigtrakks are built/rebuilt on battlefields

G00fySmiley wrote:true, but think about it. you have a vehicle that was thrashed by the orks, it somehow was destroyed either wrecked best case scenario or exploded. and given ork str hits likely hit by multiple things before going. then you have a ork bgi mek throwing out parts and adding stuff left and right. its kind like the debate of you can buy a new ar for $30,000, or get a used car the same year that was in a wreck for free, btu it needs $45,000 in repairs due to being thrown into a wall at 100 mph catcing fire then rolled into a lake to put it out, then given to a welding student to play with as scrap metal, who installs the engine in on the roof, welds everything on for funsies and desides to extend the fram with rebar because it will look cooler that way ... which do you get

Now I see why the Imperial Guard choose not to loot Ork vehicles but requisite the vehicle replacements from a forgeworld instead.
but if IG don't loot ork tanks. what else shall they do with wrecked ork vehicles? will they make a breastwork and/or any kind of field fortifications out of those scraps (Orks also make this uses on the wrecks, USUALLY! much of Ork fortifications and settlements are made of scraps, the obivious example was in DoW)

If one says that Gunwagon is an ork SPG with some spaces for orks to hitch the ride.
What is the real life vehicles to compare? german early StuG? Marder? else?

How do Orks have any concepts of industry? Ork armories are very wild, they don't even understand a basic concepts of standards you know. While the Imperium has a higher degree of standardizations where almost every equipments are made in the centralized locations ... we called those place as a forgeworld.

Lone Cat wrote:How do Orks have any concepts of industry? Ork armories are very wild, they don't even understand a basic concepts of standards you know. While the Imperium has a higher degree of standardizations where almost every equipments are made in the centralized locations ... we called those place as a forgeworld.

Orks do have a standard!

If it moves and its killy, its good to go

Even better if it doesnt fall apart immediately after getting shot at!

Now about Ork industry.

1. While much of their materials are looted. Do they have any concepts of mining (for metals) and agriculture (for rubber, to make tyres and other gadgets.
2. Ork manufacturing systems: How do such systems look like? are they comparable to present-day Warlords in Somalia? or early 30s China? (craftmanships, SME-sized machine shops compared to Imperial Industrial complex). given that the industry of a given Ork Waaagh! is located on any Ork world, and the looted industrial equipments are not YET obtained. (they might .. and likely to have, materials salvaged from wrecks of any human armies they came across).

Lone Cat wrote:

G00fySmiley wrote:true, but think about it. you have a vehicle that was thrashed by the orks, it somehow was destroyed either wrecked best case scenario or exploded. and given ork str hits likely hit by multiple things before going. then you have a ork bgi mek throwing out parts and adding stuff left and right. its kind like the debate of you can buy a new ar for $30,000, or get a used car the same year that was in a wreck for free, btu it needs $45,000 in repairs due to being thrown into a wall at 100 mph catcing fire then rolled into a lake to put it out, then given to a welding student to play with as scrap metal, who installs the engine in on the roof, welds everything on for funsies and desides to extend the fram with rebar because it will look cooler that way ... which do you get

Now I see why the Imperial Guard choose not to loot Ork vehicles but requisite the vehicle replacements from a forgeworld instead.
but if IG don't loot ork tanks. what else shall they do with wrecked ork vehicles? will they make a breastwork and/or any kind of field fortifications out of those scraps (Orks also make this uses on the wrecks, USUALLY! much of Ork fortifications and settlements are made of scraps, the obivious example was in DoW)

If one says that Gunwagon is an ork SPG with some spaces for orks to hitch the ride.
What is the real life vehicles to compare? german early StuG? Marder? else?

How do Orks have any concepts of industry? Ork armories are very wild, they don't even understand a basic concepts of standards you know. While the Imperium has a higher degree of standardizations where almost every equipments are made in the centralized locations ... we called those place as a forgeworld.

orks are different than the imperium almost imeasurably so in game and in fluff.

in game ask a red shirt about orks andmodeling they'll tell you "anything goes with orks" "orks are bizarre" "ork players make wirrd stuff but it is usually legal"

currently I am working on a looted wagon... made out of a tyraid trygon (link to model below)

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440300a&prodId=prod340015a

yes I am turning that into a tank. adding some treds, a big cannon coming out of the chest, and an ork on top pulling levers... they think it works so it does ; fits fluff of how ork stuff works but i bet in a store it'll get a wtf is that looks

that said those are the projects of the big mek, now some warlords and indeed all ork tribes do take slaves. these workers work in kind of ork forgeworlds and in mining/ resoarce gathering to make weapons and such for the orks. while orks can loot anything they also use thier own stuff hence why there are gw trukks battlewagons and other vehicles in game which while they look rought do all look similar. You see alot of looted imperial stuff mainly space marine bits used in ork construction. the reason in game fo rthis is simple... there is more MEQ parts out there than aything else. when a marine or guard player breaks a model and ork player will usually happpily buy it for cheap and make somethign out of it... that's just the type of people who play orks, the kind who in the 40k worrld might fit in with them

*add* ork kulture is fairly simple, btu they do have things the imperium might recognise for example they do have bankers and currency... thier currency just happens to be teeth and bankers are the "teef counter" and they have alot of other things that are kind of liek a society... but different