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Hey guys, I want to make a competitive army list for SMs (or atleast as competitive as I can get) and have NO idea where to start. I'm to the gaming aspect, but have been painting for years. I'm wanting my army to be primarily mid range shooty but with a feww decent cc units to cripple flanks or something, I don't know where to start at all, so i'll list what I have, preferrably for a 1500 pt game, but any point level is fine, thanks in advance for any comments,

LDP

Heres what I have:

HQ

Captain w/ Relic Blade and Storm Shield
Captain w/ Relic Blade and Storm Bolter and Auxillery Grenade Launcher
Captain w/ Power Sword and Storm Bolter
Captain w/ Plasma Pistol and PW/Relic Blade
Captain w/ PP/BP and Thunder Hammer
Captain w/ Combi Melta and Powerfist

YES! ITS ALOT OF CAPTAINS!

Librarian w BP
Librarian w BP
Termy Librarian w SB

Chaplain w SB

Command Squad w/ 4x Melta (& Apothecary)

Command Squad w/ 3 PWs, 1 LC and 4 SSs (& Apothecary)

Command Squad w/ Company champ, BP and LC, PW and PP, Combi Plas and LC (& Apothecary)

Command Squad w/ Company champ, standard bearer, bolter, plasma gun (& Apothecary)



TROOPS

10 MAN TAC SQUAD w/ Flamer and ML sgt has PP AND PW
10 MAN TAC SQUAD w/ Melta and MM sgt has Combi melta and PF
10 MAN TAC SQUAD w/ Plasma gun, Plasma cannon sgt has combi plasma and PF
10 MAN TAC SQUAD Unassembled
10 MAN TAC SQUAD Unassembled

5 MAN SCOUT SQUAD w HB
5 MAN SCOUT SQUAD w HB


ELITES
Dread (can be built w/ LC, ML, CCW, AC)
IRONCLAD DREAD (hunter killers, CCW, Bolters, chainfist or seige drill) cant remember undermounted attatchment
5 man Termy Squad, assault cannon
5 man cc termy squad 2 TH AND SS, 3 LC
5 man sternguard squad, combimelta


FAST ATTACK
10 man assault squad w/ 2 flamers, sgt has PF AND PP
LAND SPEEDER W/ HB, ASSAULT CANNON


HEAVY SUPPORT
Land Raider UNASSEMBLED
Vindicator UNASSEMBLED
Whirlwind UNASSEMBLED
Predator w/ autocannon/TL LC on top, HBs on the side.
5 MAN DEV squad, any options, sgt has bolter.

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS:
RHINO W/ SB
RHINO W/ SB
RHINO UNASSEMBLED
RHINO UNASSEMBLED

HELP ME OUT GUYS!! THANKS SO MUCH!


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I see how this can be a pain to do, but even if I got one answer, it'd help me so much!

Ok I don’t play my marines very often, but if it helps ill give my opinion.

Your strongest Hq is going to be your Librarian, your set up on them isn’t optimal but with what you have to work with its by far the best.

As for you command squads I’m going to split them up a bit. To clarify your modals you have :

Melta x 5

Plasma gun x 2

Any setup for heavy weapons (based on your devo squad)

As for sergeants

Combi plas/PF
Combi melta/PF x 2 (using one of your captains as a sarg)
Combi plas/LC
Combi melta (from your stern guard)

a bunch of meat

And 4 rhinos

I would run your troops as

TAC +5
Combi melta/PF
Melta
ML
Rhino
245

TAC +5
Combi melta/PF
Melta
ML
Rhino
245

TAC + 5
Combi plas/PF
Plasmagun
ML
Rhino
250

TAC +5
Combi melta
melta
ML
Rhino
220

For your elites I like IRONCLADS but they really need a drop pod to be effective. And we striped your melta out of your stern guard already and I feel it works better as a sarg at this point in time.

Standard termys aren’t that good in the game right now so I’m going to say leave them at home as well. \

Your assault termys are very strong, load them up in your land raider and bomb them, its bland and everyone has a counter for it but its still a strong unit.

Assault Terminators squad
SS/TH x3
LC x 2
Land raider
450

I would drop that terminator libby in this unit as well, I just wish he had something on him other then that SB.

For your fast, I love land speeders, but they really need to be MM/HF. If you cant mod this up I would diffidently drop this in there.

Assault marines aren’t all that great, or at least not vanilla assault marines. And the flames aren’t all that hot. If although I do have my eye on that sarg, I feel if you could pop off that jump pack and use him as a TAC sarg he would see tons of game time. (but hold on to that pack, there hard to get your hands on)

Ok heavy support

We used your land raider
Vendicators are good, but better in numbers
Whirlwinds are poor, if you didn’t glue on the whirlwind launcher leave it off and play it as a rhino
Dakka preds, some people like them, some don’t. in your case you don’t have any other choice so feel free to drop it in
If you can still field devo squads with all your ML moved in to tac units. I would cap them out with 4 ML and a plain sarg. Not quite Long fangs but the aren’t a bad unit.

Ok now that you made it this far in my epicly long post lets get to your list

Hq

Librarian
Terminator armor
125

Elites

Assault Terminators
SS/TH x 3
LC x 2
Land raider
450

Troops

TAC +5
Combi melta/PF
Melta
ML
Rhino
245

TAC +5
Combi melta/PF
Melta
ML
Rhino
245

TAC + 5
Combi plas/PF
Plasmagun
ML
Rhino
250

TAC +5
Combi melta
melta
ML
Rhino
210

TAC +5
PP/PF (assault sarg)
Melta
ML
Rhino (whirlwind)
245

Fast

Land speeder
MM/HF
70

HS

Devastator
ML x 4
150

Its not going to win you a GT, but may do well with some local games or tournaments. As I said my knowledge of the space marine codex is a bit lacking, but I feel I have the basics down. Hope this helped

Thanks for taking the time to reply man, you don't understand how much this helps me! Thanks alot, I'll probably have to buy another speeder, and I can build a sgt that has the same weapon options as the assault sgt, I have the bits.
Thanks again man, it really helps.

Sweet 2000 pts list too! Thanks a heap

LDP

Yea no prob bud. If you are looking for any more help feel free to hit me up. Ill do what I can.

So captains arent very good choices then? I'm thinking of get a 5x TH/SS squad going soemtime, just to kill everything in cc out of a land raider. How does that sound? And also what are the best vanilla mairine units to use? I hear Land speeders are good, and what else?

Attack Bikes > Speeders for Multimelta. If you want melta, go bikes. If you want missiles or flamers (or even an assault cannon I suppose) go speeders. But I've heard that they always work best when there are two.

ahh the speeers vs bikes debate. Bike are better then speeders in a BA list, Also if you want nothing more then a few cheap fast meltas. Speeders are better if you want a multipurpose unit.

In Standard rhino marines I would go with speeders, that way your first turn you dont have much for anti infantry fire.

IMHO Tac squads are the worst troop in this game.... I would lower the total count of thses and get some goodies... TH/SS are beasty, as are speeders, a few vindies, some dreads. An assortmant of fun goodies work well. I would run 3 tac squads in 2500 along with some scouts.

Why do think tac squads are bad units? they look alright.