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DE 1850

HQ
Baron Sathonyx-105pts

TROOPS

Troop 1 5 Kabalite Warrior - 60pts 1xBlaster W/ Dedicated Transport - Venom - 65pts w/ Dual splinter cannon. (125 pts)
Troop 2 5 Kabalite Warrior - 60pts 1xBlaster W/ Dedicated Transport - Venom - 65pts w/ Dual splinter cannon. (125 pts)
Troop 3 5 Kabalite Warrior - 60pts 1xBlaster W/ Dedicated Transport - Venom - 65pts w/ Dual splinter cannon. (125 pts)
Troop 4 5 Kabalite Warrior - 60pts 1xBlaster W/ Dedicated Transport - Venom - 65pts w/ Dual splinter cannon. (125 pts)
Troop 5 5 Kabalite Warrior - 60pts 1xBlaster W/ Dedicated Transport - Venom - 65pts w/ Dual splinter cannon. (125 pts)
Troop 6 5 wyches w haywire grenades, 1xhydra gauntlet. 70pts W/Dedicated Transport - Venom - 65pts w/ Dual splinter cannon. (135 pts)

ELITES

Elite 1 4 Kabalite Trueborn w/4 Blasters - 81 w/ Dedicated transport Venom - 65pts w/ dual splinter cannons (173 pts)
Elite 2 4 Kabalite Trueborn w/4 Blasters - 81 w/ Dedicated transport Venom - 65pts w/ dual splinter cannons (173 pts)
Elite 3 4 Kabalite Trueborn w/4 Blasters - 81 w/ Dedicated transport Venom - 65pts w/ dual splinter cannons (173 pts)

FAST ATTACK

Fast atack 1 3xBeastmaster, 4xRazorwing Swarm, 2xKhymera (121 points)

HEAVY SUPPORT

Heavy Support 1 Ravager w/ 3 dark lances, flicker field - (115pts)
Heavy Support 2 Ravager w/ 3 dark lances, flicker field - (115pts)
Heavy Support 3 Ravager w/ 3 dark lances, flicker field - (115pts)


1849/1850

This is the 1850 list I am thinking about using for a game tomorrow with my friend from work, This will be the first time for me playing with the Beasts, as I am new to DE in general any and all C&C is very welcome, Aggie0642 has already helped me by figuring out the Beast Unit composition.

2 Beastmaster, 4 Razorwing Swarm, 3 Khymera

There is a restriction of 1 clawed fiend per beast master do you mean razor wing swarm?

Yes I did, thanks

Thank you, that will give me 11 points left over, which upgrade for the Wych unit would be best? the hydra gauntlet is where I am leaning.

The beastmaster squad is breaking the rules. You have to have 1 beast master for a clawed fiend and also 1 beastmaster per 2 flocks and a beast master per 5 kymeras, so you would need 3 beastmasters for that squad.

I'd drop the razorflail and put the Wyches in a Raider w. FF.

The way you have them equipped their obvious purpose is vehicle assault - in a Raider they will have a better chance for turn 1 vehicle assault, and also the lance will boost your overall anti tank which you need more than the 2 extra S.cannons.

So drop the beasts alltogether and go for a wych raider?

If you drop the Beasts then you should drop the Baron as well, they are the only unit he can really join because everything else is in transports and only the Wyches could possibly be considered an assault unit. A Haemonculi is the obvious choice for a replacement HQ, he is cheap and you can put him with the Wyches for a Pain Token.

I meant drop the razorflail, not the razorwing.
If you do drop the beasts I'll second Powerguy...I wouldn't drop the beasts though.

I did not want to drop the beasts, I am just quizical as to what the razorflail is, I am not seeing that item in the codex.

My list is the same as this except I am running Haemonculus with webway portal and double Beastmasters. How are you finding the Baron?

jacetms87 wrote:I did not want to drop the beasts, I am just quizical as to what the razorflail is, I am not seeing that item in the codex.

Ah - you took Hydra Gauntlets.
Look at where you took Hydra Gauntlets and you'll find Razorflails, and replace where I've said RFs with HGs and everything will make sense.

I'm not sure who you are facing, but I am afraid that only 5 wyches will not be enough. They can tarpit, but you are going to have problems with monoliths and blessed hull.

The wyches were for vehicle assault primarily, they can/do tarpit on occasion.

@mercer He is quite good actually ( playing is believing) dash and thor had both suggested him so I gave him a try with the beasts and between this +1 to go first ( HUGE) and the stealth special rule, and his grenades all for 105, quite good indeed.

@ ysclyth I am not going to be facing necrons, maybe in a pick up game, I have only had 1 game against necrons with DE. I phased him out on 2 due to the fact he didnt reserve his warriors.

I've looked at him but I cannot see the synergy between the Beastmaster movement and his. Baron gives loads of benefit something which I am not going to disagree on, but he just holds the beasts back from assault. ATM I'm finding double Beastmaster units to cause havoc and be excellent distraction units.

Baron slows Beasts, but he also gives them +1 cover bonus and assault and defensive grenades, which are both excellent for them. The real goal of the Baron+Beasts is that it's nice to get the +1 to first turn - other than that the Baron does suck. So, you want him for +1 because +1 is amazing...but what do you put him with? Hellions super suck. Scourges suck. Everything else should probably be in vehicles...so...Beasts.

Also, if you need the extra movement and don't need grenades, you can always separate them prior to assault. I do it a lot to have the Beasts assault infantry and the Baron to smash into some Vehicles.

Yes I know all about the stealth and phantasm grenade launcher. Speed is a issue, beasts can only move 12" if running which means the Baron runs and beasts have 12" assault range Baron doesn't so you need to keep them together to get those bonuses and you're just losing the speed benefit from both units.

Scourges don't look too bad and I've hear Hellions are good. I've only used Beastmasters from fast attack though so I cannot truely comment.

Personally it's the webway portal for me and it works a charm for my beasts.