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It is now quite clear that you only take into account the base of your Valkryie for difficult terrain and other models. Does this mean now that you can overhang the board edge as well? I know that outflanking from reserve you were destroyed if you did not get completely onto the board (meaning you had to move over 6" just to make it into the game), but did the FAQ change that regarding wings or tails, and only require that the base make it onto the board?

I think (cant stress that enough as I dont use vehichles really) in the FAQ it still said that Wings etc are still counted as part of the hull. If a peice of the hull is off the table I would guess its destroyed?

The base I could see for difficult/models as its hovering above and would only be in trouble if something was real close to its underbelly.

But again I am unsure.

- Strig

The FAQ says that the large oval base is used for determining terrain effects. Surely that includes the open terrain of the board near the edge.

Homer

There's a difference between terrain and the edge of the board.

You use the base to determine what terrain the model is in. But, you use the model itself to determine if it is on the board.

Grakmar wrote:There's a difference between terrain and the edge of the board.

You use the base to determine what terrain the model is in. But, you use the model itself to determine if it is on the board.

So the Space Marine captain model that ends up with a sword point over the edge of the board is destroyed, too?

solkan wrote:

Grakmar wrote:There's a difference between terrain and the edge of the board.

You use the base to determine what terrain the model is in. But, you use the model itself to determine if it is on the board.

So the Space Marine captain model that ends up with a sword point over the edge of the board is destroyed, too?

Well, you can't move off the board, so the Space Marine Captain in question wouldn't be able to end up with his sword over the edge by movement.

If he comes onto the board from reserves and is only able to move partially onto the board with his sword sticking over the edge, he would be destroyed, as would any squad he was attached to.

But, these issues should be incredibly rare.

solkan wrote:

Grakmar wrote:There's a difference between terrain and the edge of the board.

You use the base to determine what terrain the model is in. But, you use the model itself to determine if it is on the board.

So the Space Marine captain model that ends up with a sword point over the edge of the board is destroyed, too?

No, because the area occupied by models which aren't vehicles is defined by the size of their base, NOT by the size of the model. Only vehicles are defined by the size of their hull. Skimmers on large bases are a weird middle ground where the base is used to determine whether or not you're in terrain, but I'd still say that overhanging the board edge is a no-go area.

Grakmar wrote:Well, you can't move off the board, so the Space Marine Captain in question wouldn't be able to end up with his sword over the edge by movement.

If he comes onto the board from reserves and is only able to move partially onto the board with his sword sticking over the edge, he would be destroyed, as would any squad he was attached to.

But, these issues should be incredibly rare.

No. The way I describe it to people is to imagine a cylinder that goes up vertically about 2" from the base. That (for all intents purpose) is where the model is. Bits that overhang the cylinder aren't really there per say (i.e. backpacks and weapons). The rulebook states that certain additives do not count as the model itself.

Devil's Advocate:

FAQ wrote:Q: What happens when a unit arrives from reserves but
is unable to completely move onto the board? (p94)
A: The unit is destroyed and removed from play.

The Vendetta is able to move to completely move onto the board. You just choose not to move it completely onto the board.

The edge of the board is the edge of reality; if something is out there, it doesn't exist. Bits of the aircraft hanging over the edge and subsequently being destroyed would destroy the aircraft too, much akin to how removing the tail or wing of a plane midflight will cause it to crash horribly.

-cgmckenzie

Or to put it another way

'Go cruising speed already and quit complaining '

The Valk/Vendetta/Stormraven/Razorwing/Rubber chicken on a flying stand (new necron flyer ) can all get on the board from reserve within their max speed. Even a Monolith can (barely). If you opt not to then that's your business, but your opponent is within their rights to point out that your vehicle is dead.

Corrode wrote:

solkan wrote:

Grakmar wrote:There's a difference between terrain and the edge of the board.

You use the base to determine what terrain the model is in. But, you use the model itself to determine if it is on the board.

So the Space Marine captain model that ends up with a sword point over the edge of the board is destroyed, too?

No, because the area occupied by models which aren't vehicles is defined by the size of their base, NOT by the size of the model. Only vehicles are defined by the size of their hull. Skimmers on large bases are a weird middle ground where the base is used to determine whether or not you're in terrain, but I'd still say that overhanging the board edge is a no-go area.

This.

The monolith cannot, actually. It's base is >6" long on one side. It is impossible for the monolith to get on the board from reserves without deep striking, yet another way that Dawn of War feths over the Necron players.

Mine measures as exactly 6'' front to back. I've just checked. The guns are rotatable, and so won't be an issue.

If you try to drive it on sideways it might be an issue, i suppose, as the exhaust vents make the model a little wider than long.

With a 6'' length and a move of 6'' it will exactly fit onto the board, touching the edgeline.

If you have an ssue with this take sandpaper to the corner between the pyramid and the base and sand it down a little, and do the same on the rear.