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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/13 19:40:24
Subject: Forge World models in tournaments
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Slippery Scout Biker
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Some guys from my club are interested in staging a tournament which allows Forge World models/rules but are not sure anyone would be interested.
Would anyone want to attend an event that allowed Forge World models/rules?
In fact does anyone know of anywhere that already does this or knows why we shouldn't do it?
Any comments welcome.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 00:12:35
Subject: Re:Forge World models in tournaments
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On a Canoptek Spyder's Waiting List
Birmingham UK
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In the UK off the top of my head events that allow FW:
UK Games Expo (which i TO)
Immortals Warzone
Battle of the Chumps
I believe that the rules are usable in a competitive environment as long as you have certain restrictions on things like Flyers and players are aware of some of the worst case scenario units so they can prepare properly.
As someone who thinks they should be allowed in normal games i am intrested in how you approch it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 00:25:53
Subject: Forge World models in tournaments
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Fixture of Dakka
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Forgeworld has some fun stuff. You'll just want to consider a bit what you want - superheavies? Biotitans? Flyers? Or just the "normal" stuff like variant tanks, cyclops demo vehicles, and the Hades Breaching Drill?
You might take a look at Adepticon's Gladiator event, and see which units/types of units they chose to limit in some way.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 00:37:22
Subject: Forge World models in tournaments
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Fixture of Dakka
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 11:56:34
Subject: Forge World models in tournaments
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Fixture of Dakka
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Take a look at my most recent 40k tournament.. Our RTTs allow FW for awhile now, check out the restrictions I use
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 12:39:21
Subject: Re:Forge World models in tournaments
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Forge world has been allowed for a while in the larger tourneys in Norway with some restrictions:
Max 1 of each choice unless you are running a FW list
You have to use the FW model to use the rules
Very short banlist: infernus shells (auto-fallback on hits+super cheap), dreadnought drop-pod (assault ramp + cheap), no IA special characters, no flyers, superheavies/gargantuans and nothing marked experimental.
Must notify TO in advance
With these few rules in place, there has been an influx of FW lists, f.ex. armoured company and some people have used FW units in normal lists. There has been no drama or whining about anything FW related at all after 4 separate tourneys with these rules. IMO, FW is fine as long as you only allow one of each choice, as that stops pretty much all abuse. FW stuff is generally cool, but overpriced, and very very little is broken in singles
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 12:49:08
Subject: Forge World models in tournaments
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Also note that WHW has run Battlefields in '10 and Badab War Part 1 this year allowing FW.
My advice is that there are probably a handful of units that should be banned (off the top of my head: Lucius Pattern Drop Pods, Land Raider Achilles*, possibly Eldar Wasp War Walkers***, possibly the IA10 Space Marine Siege List), and obviously flyers/gargantuans/super-heavies**.
*I don't think this is broken myself, but it is so difficult to play against for some armies that you risk seriously spoiling some people's fun if they've never encountered it before
**Unless you want those ofc
***Well I would actually say ban or vet anything that's still experimental
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/15 13:06:48
Subject: Re:Forge World models in tournaments
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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Land Raider Achilles*, possibly Eldar Wasp War Walkers
Problem is when you start banning stuff that might be broken, you are on a rapidly sliding scale. If you instead only allow one of the unit, then you don't have to rely on some "sage" 40k players perception on what is broken and what is not. One unit of something is extremely rarely broken. One achilles won't be able to dominate the board totally, one unit of wasp walkers won't make the eldar army invincible. Even the lucius drop pod isn't really broken when you only get one. (infernus shells still are).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/16 19:56:51
Subject: Re:Forge World models in tournaments
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Slippery Scout Biker
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Thanks for the comments everyone.
The Adepticon link was very useful - thanks Janthkin!
Boomstick - we'd be interested in more info about the ones you mention. Any websites etc... we could check out?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/16 20:02:15
Subject: Re:Forge World models in tournaments
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Mounted Kroot Tracker
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Illumini wrote:Land Raider Achilles*, possibly Eldar Wasp War Walkers
Problem is when you start banning stuff that might be broken, you are on a rapidly sliding scale. If you instead only allow one of the unit, then you don't have to rely on some "sage" 40k players perception on what is broken and what is not. One unit of something is extremely rarely broken. One achilles won't be able to dominate the board totally, one unit of wasp walkers won't make the eldar army invincible. Even the lucius drop pod isn't really broken when you only get one. (infernus shells still are).
Agreed. Only ban categories, like super heavies and flyers. As soon as you start banning certain choices, then you might as well ban long fangs while you're at it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/17 09:42:50
Subject: Forge World models in tournaments
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Sneaky Lictor
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I played in a doubles tournie at WHW where they allowed FW stuff with no restrictions (1000pts per player 1 hq, 1 troop minimum each) and first round came upon a guy who had decided to bring Angrathh the unbound and some bloodletters (his partner had mephiston led ba) that was not a fun game gargantuan creatures suck in normal games.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/07/17 11:54:15
Subject: Re:Forge World models in tournaments
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On a Canoptek Spyder's Waiting List
Birmingham UK
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I dont think anyone even the most pro FW player would think that having a Gargantuan Creature in a normal style event is a good idea although if the rules for the event allowed it then fair play to them they did nothing wrong even if i wouldnt have allowd it myself. The one thing i am getting from reading threads like this are that in the events that have appropriate restrictions, there are little to no problems intergrating them, unless there are any actuall horror stories im missing everything points to FW being good for events.
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