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ok so heres the run down.

i charged a unit of necron warriors and lord with assualt termies and vulcan. now i have vulcan in base with necron lord and the termies at piled in around and engaged some warriors.

now since i have vulcan vs. the lord am i able to have other termies that are in the 2" range of vulcan attack the necron lord or do they just attack the warriors

ive searched and couldnt find what i was looking for...im thinking that yes since i have termies within the 2" range of vulcan they can also attack the necron lord. but would like clarification please

The IC's are considered separate units. For the terminators to attack the Lord, they'd have to have at least one model in base contact with it. Otherwise they'll just swing against the Warriors.

As bushido said: for purposes of attack allocation and resolution, you treat the ICs as if they were separate units. That means a terminator has to actually be in base contact with the necron lord for any of the terminators to be eligible to attack him. Re-read the section on Multiple Assaults.

Page 498, ICs in assault. When you resolve attacks the IC is a seperate unit, meaning you cannot be within 2" of him in order to attack - you need to be within 2" of someone from your own unit.

Remember this also goes both ways, if the lord isn't in contact with the termies he has to direct all his strikes into vulcan.

Mannahnin wrote:As bushido said: for purposes of attack allocation and resolution, you treat the ICs as if they were separate units. That means a terminator has to actually be in base contact with the necron lord for any of the terminators to be eligible to attack him. Re-read the section on Multiple Assaults.

Does this mean that if you lose combat and fearless, the IC and the squad he is with both take No Retreat wounds equal to how much you lost in combat resolution sense they are both considered different units in combat? (ie. Tyranid Prime and his 5 man Tyranid Warrior squad lost combat by 2, the Tyranid Prime takes 2 No Retreat wounds and the Tyranid Warrior squad also 2 No Retreat wounds)

@Zyllos: No. (p.49 BRB, second parenthetical).

Zyllos wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:As bushido said: for purposes of attack allocation and resolution, you treat the ICs as if they were separate units. That means a terminator has to actually be in base contact with the necron lord for any of the terminators to be eligible to attack him. Re-read the section on Multiple Assaults.

Does this mean that if you lose combat and fearless, the IC and the squad he is with both take No Retreat wounds equal to how much you lost in combat resolution sense they are both considered different units in combat? (ie. Tyranid Prime and his 5 man Tyranid Warrior squad lost combat by 2, the Tyranid Prime takes 2 No Retreat wounds and the Tyranid Warrior squad also 2 No Retreat wounds)

No, because Mannahin was incorrect. When resolution takes place, ICs are no longer independent (if they were attached to a unit before hand). The IC+Unit becomes a single unit for the purposes of combat resolution (morale, pursuit, fall back, No Retreat!).

Otherwise you could potentially have an instance where an IC succeeds a Morale Test and the unit fails, forcing them to separate outside of the Movement Phase.

Mann was NOT incorrect, you're just not reading what he said

For Attack (allocation and resolution) they are separate units. Its also the language that the BRB uses - page 49, resolving attacks

bushido wrote:The IC's are considered separate units. For the terminators to attack the Lord, they'd have to have at least one model in base contact with it. Otherwise they'll just swing against the Warriors.

But in this case only terminators in B2B with the lord, and terminators within 2" and not in B2B with any warriors can attack him.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Mann was NOT incorrect, you're just not reading what he said

For Attack (allocation and resolution) they are separate units. Its also the language that the BRB uses - page 49, resolving attacks

Da. I said attack resolution, not combat resolution. When you resolve the attacks, the IC and the squad are treated as separate units. When you resolve the combat at the end, for purposes of who won or lost and by how much, they're treated as a single unit again.

The whole, part of the unit, not part of the unit, part of the unit timing seems to require a lot of inference to get it right.

Is the following correct:

Attackers declare assault against defenders with attached IC. IC has defensive grenades, defenders do not.

Attackers are assaulting a SINGLE unit equipped with defensive grenades, so all attacking models will not get any Assault Bonus attacks.

Move attackers to engage. Defenders react.

Defenders become TWO units.

Work out who is engaged. Fight combats.

Defenders become SINGLE unit.

Determine assault results.